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kerry · #46 01-08-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

OK. Do they document the miracles and proof? Any of it reproducible?

Absolutely not. At best they show that there probably was some guy who lived between about xbce and yce somewhere in the general vicinity of modern Palestine who had some religious and political views which eventually resulted in his death and afterwards some of those followers started a deviant sect of Judaism.

martureo · #47 01-08-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

If you want to have a high degree of evidence in the religious beliefs you hold, stay away from religions which base their claims on historical events which by comparison have a low degree of evidence.

A low degree of evidence? Compared to what?

Are you really trying to anachronistically compare ancient events to today?

I really doubt you would cast into doubt every ancient event.

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This fact explains why religions like Buddhism which rely on virtually no crucial historical facts but on direct personal experience, are more attractive nowadays to the West than historical supernatural religions. They're much easier to belief and require far less in the way of dubious propositions.

Alright, go ahead with your alternate reality. I'm fine in the real world.

martureo · #48 01-08-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

OK. Do they document the miracles and proof? Any of it reproducible?

I spy someone moving the goalposts......

martureo · #49 01-08-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Absolutely not. At best they show that there probably was some guy who lived between about xbce and yce somewhere in the general vicinity of modern Palestine who had some religious and political views which eventually resulted in his death and afterwards some of those followers started a deviant sect of Judaism.

And is any of that beyond what Aklim is arguing against?

aklim · #50 01-08-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

The Catholic Church has presented itself to me through their instruction as; 'a one-stop guarantee to everlasting life after death.'

While I don't buy into that notion, I don't dismiss their teachings as 'the boogey man' either.

Reading your past writings here on OT, it was my sense/understanding that you do not believe in the after-life as this Jesus guy was reported as foretelling of. I recall that you believe that religions are pedalling control because of the 'boogey man.' I took this as your referencing the Almighty to be a made up entity. Is this true so far, and if so, then the whole Almighty entity existing to you, is just myth, no?

In return for my constant devotion and allegiance to their flag. NILIF.

Till it can be proven, it isn't real.

Again, prove that there is a god and the afterlife will fall into place. If the got does NOT exist then there is no afterlife as promised by this god. Maybe another god, IDK. At this point, any deity is pretty much a story or a myth.

aklim · #51 01-08-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Absolutely not. At best they show that there probably was some guy who lived between about xbce and yce somewhere in the general vicinity of modern Palestine who had some religious and political views which eventually resulted in his death and afterwards some of those followers started a deviant sect of Judaism.

Which means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

aklim · #52 01-08-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I spy someone moving the goalposts......

No, first thing first. We need to know if this Jesus existed as said.

greazzer · #53 01-08-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Do you Accept Jesus as your Saviour or reject Jesus as your Saviour? Just a simple question.

Yes Sir ! Another Roman Catholic soldier for Christ !

kerry · #54 01-08-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

A low degree of evidence? Compared to what?

Are you really trying to anachronistically compare ancient events to today?

I really doubt you would cast into doubt every ancient event. Alright, go ahead with your alternate reality. I'm fine in the real world.

Your world is a world with fantastical creatures--angels, demons, Gods, sons of God, miracles, sinful beings, redeemed beings, heavens, hells, eternal courts of justice, holes in the heart in which gods fit, voices of the holy spirit, water turning into wine, dead people coming to life, dunkings in water to remove the stains of sin. Most people wouldn't consider those things the 'real world'.

I did notice that you avoided the difficult problem I pointed out.

kerry · #55 01-08-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Which means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I agree. It just means someone probably existed behind the stories and very little more.

kerry · #56 01-08-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Yes Sir ! Another Roman Catholic soldier for Christ !

Greazzer you're in trouble. Someone here is going to call you an idol worshipper and say you're not really a soldier for Christ.

greazzer · #57 01-08-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Greazzer you're in trouble. Someone here is going to call you an idol worshipper and say you're not really a soldier for Christ.

What are you talking about ?

martureo · #58 01-08-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

No, first thing first. We need to know if this Jesus existed as said.

I gave you a reason and a book.

YOU were the one who started going beyond the physical historical person of Jesus.

martureo · #59 01-08-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Your world is a world with fantastical creatures--angels, demons, Gods, sons of God, miracles, sinful beings, redeemed beings, heavens, hells, eternal courts of justice, holes in the heart in which gods fit, voices of the holy spirit, water turning into wine, dead people coming to life, dunkings in water to remove the stains of sin. Most people wouldn't consider those things the 'real world'.

The last stats I looked at showed that most people believe in the supernatural.

So your red herring still fails.

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I did notice that you avoided the difficult problem I pointed out.

No, pointing out a fallacy doesn't mean I'm avoiding any "difficult problem".

In fact the only "difficult problem" I have a problem avoiding is you. You've shown the past you have a very surface level knowledge of Christian belief, you don't know your history and you aren't familiar with basic logical argumentation. Yet you insist on bringing up silly little tidbits which pretend to be proper arguments, but in fact are really just about as deep as the front page of the National Enquirer.

martureo · #60 01-08-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

What are you talking about ?

He's trying to start an argument between me and you.

I don't believe that the RCC teaches Christian doctrine, I believe the RCC teaches a different gospel. But at the same time I believe that while the organization is not Christian, I believe a Catholic can be a Christian.

We can discuss it some time if you'd like, but Kerry is trying to throw everything he has against Christians. It would grant him plenty of pleasure if he started a flame war between us.

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