Electric powered air conditioning and power steering - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

t walgamuth · #1 01-09-2013, 03:29 PM

I am pondering ways to power my 39 studebaker Coupe express and how to power accessories.

One of the engines I am considering is a 259 studebaker v8 from a 64 Studie my favorite machinist has and has offered.

The studie it comes from does not have power steering nor AC. Fitting brackets for these accessories on the engine may be problematic. I am wondering if anybody knows of an alternative in which accessorie such as this can be run from electricity. If so then i could just fit a larger alternator and head on down the road.

Air&Road · #2 01-09-2013, 03:49 PM

This reminds me, I haven't gotten an email reply from the Studebaker club guy in Commerce. I'll try to remember to try again.

Electric a/c has been used in over the road trucks for a few years now. Has lots of advantages too. Electric power steering is getting enough play now, that there might be some wrecking yard choices.

Txjake · #3 01-09-2013, 03:54 PM

cool choice in an engine......

greazzer · #4 01-09-2013, 03:58 PM

Options:

No Air-Conditioning:

Dual Shaft Motor: this option is the most similar to AC in a normal car is to run the AC compressor off the rear shaft of a dual shaft motor. The advantages are simplicity and similarity to standard cars but the AC will only work when the motor is spinning. This Saab is an example of using this approach.

Accessory Motor: Another option is to run a small 12V accessory motor which is attached to the compressor. This approach allows AC to be used when the car is stationary and means that there is no direct drain on the power to the drive motor but adds weight and complexity. This Honda is an example of using this approach.

Ice: Rather than storing electricity and using it to lower the temperature of the car it may be easier and cheaper to store a direct source of cooling; ice. Blowing air through an ice water mix is a rather effective form of cooling and might be sufficient for your cooling requirements. A DIY example can be seen here, or you may prefer Mr Sharkey's no nonsense approach here.

Compressor with integral motor: A more recent option is a compressor with a motor built in like your home AC unit. Some of the newer hybrids use this technology such as the Prius or this conversion which utilizes a variable speed control to maximize efficiency. With this option you also have more freedom as to where to locate the unit and you don't have a lot of mounting hardware to fabricate.

http://www.evdrive.com/BMW_project/AirConditioning.html Extension of the above is DC powered complete unit. Expensive , but compact. DC-Breeze is an example. ~$2,500 for 5,000 BTU / hr cooling all in a ~50 pound package... just plan for the ~580 Watt load to run it. Another integral motor option in 2011 is Cool Blue Air Conditioning Compressor/Condenser Unit, using your original evaporator.

Seat Heater-Cooler: Like some new vehicle seats cool the drivers backside. Thermoelectric cooling ( TEC ) technology. [Peltier] (From an advertizement) Inside the seat pad there is 6 polyethylene tube flask in the fire proof material. 1/3 of the tube can be felt when human body touches the surface. And immediately you can feel cool or warm. The car seat cushion’s power consumption is 30W. Working continually 33 hours will consume 1 watt–hour electricity. The thermoelectric ( TEC) car seat cushion works in low safe 12V voltage both it's cool and warm function. The tube, which carries antifreeze, can bear 150Kg pressure. And there is a pump inside the power box that transfers cool or warm to the pad surface. The power system is separated from the seat itself. In low voltage condition it is very safe to use in normal. All the materials are fire resistant to ensure safety. The circulatory system is airproof and no probability of leakage. Huimao China

greazzer · #5 01-09-2013, 04:25 PM

Electric Inverter A/C System for TOYOTA PRIUS Hybrid Vehicle [PDF]

greazzer · #6 01-09-2013, 04:25 PM

http://www.epa.gov/cppd/Presentations/Matsunaga%20electric%20inverter.pdf

panZZer · #7 01-09-2013, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I am pondering ways to power my 39 studebaker Coupe express and how to power accessories.

One of the engines I am considering is a 259 studebaker v8 from a 64 Studie my favorite machinist has and has offered.

The studie it comes from does not have power steering nor AC. Fitting brackets for these accessories on the engine may be problematic. I am wondering if anybody knows of an alternative in which accessorie such as this can be run from electricity. If so then i could just fit a larger alternator and head on down the road.

lots of custom ifs's can use a manual rack and pinion. You can get a close emough one from something like a saturn coupe, or get a new custom one made front or rear steer from Chris Alston for upwards of $600.

t walgamuth · #8 01-09-2013, 07:42 PM

the truck will only weigh about 3500 so i would be fine with manual steer but the mrs would want power.

t walgamuth · #9 01-09-2013, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greazzer

http://www.epa.gov/cppd/Presentations/Matsunaga%20electric%20inverter.pdf

Wow! Thanks for all the info mark!

I will research it later. At the present do you have any idea of cost?

TheDon · #10 01-09-2013, 09:05 PM

Swamp cooler....

barry12345 · #11 01-09-2013, 10:07 PM

By 64 larks should have had optional air and power steering. Or perhaps the same engine in a still newer lark. I have no rememberance of the last year of production. Sounds like you may have to locate a bad engine that had these accessories and brackets. Easier and cheaper than going electric I imagine. Plus the air compressor electric motor is going to draw substantial current.

Best perhaps to grab either a new or older copy of hemmings motor news to find good sources of valid information from advertising stude people. Remember the image of studebaker owners as being somewhat tight by nature. Still they will still have email addresses listed.

Keeping it all studebaker is a pretty good ideal. It might not suprise me that new actual factory gauges might still be around somewhere for that dash. Even a good set that needed some reconditioning. Typical round universal gauges would ruin it's unique look. So they would be a last resort for me. The restoration people can work wonders today on a decent set of old gauges.

t walgamuth · #12 01-09-2013, 10:26 PM

yeah, you are right about it being offered in 64.

the 64 motor also is supposed to have a full flow oil filter mounted (I believe) down low on the side of the block. This engine has the oil filter mounted up top like the older engines. (I believe the engine may have been replaced or it could have been built with an older style motor with out the full flow filter, in a studey they say never say never about how it might have been built from the factory) It is where the factory installed the AC bracket....so If I am to use this motor I will have to mount the ac in a different place, do without the oil filter or do a full remote oil filter which I am reluctant to do.

So if there is an ac system and a power steering rack that is available powered by electricity at a reasonable price I am interested as long as I can put on an alternator big enough to power it all.

t walgamuth · #13 01-10-2013, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greazzer

Options:

No Air-Conditioning:

Dual Shaft Motor: this option is the most similar to AC in a normal car is to run the AC compressor off the rear shaft of a dual shaft motor. The advantages are simplicity and similarity to standard cars but the AC will only work when the motor is spinning. This Saab is an example of using this approach.

Accessory Motor: Another option is to run a small 12V accessory motor which is attached to the compressor. This approach allows AC to be used when the car is stationary and means that there is no direct drain on the power to the drive motor but adds weight and complexity. This Honda is an example of using this approach.

Ice: Rather than storing electricity and using it to lower the temperature of the car it may be easier and cheaper to store a direct source of cooling; ice. Blowing air through an ice water mix is a rather effective form of cooling and might be sufficient for your cooling requirements. A DIY example can be seen here, or you may prefer Mr Sharkey's no nonsense approach here.

Compressor with integral motor: A more recent option is a compressor with a motor built in like your home AC unit. Some of the newer hybrids use this technology such as the Prius or this conversion which utilizes a variable speed control to maximize efficiency. With this option you also have more freedom as to where to locate the unit and you don't have a lot of mounting hardware to fabricate.

http://www.evdrive.com/BMW_project/AirConditioning.html Extension of the above is DC powered complete unit. Expensive , but compact. DC-Breeze is an example. ~$2,500 for 5,000 BTU / hr cooling all in a ~50 pound package... just plan for the ~580 Watt load to run it. Another integral motor option in 2011 is Cool Blue Air Conditioning Compressor/Condenser Unit, using your original evaporator.

Seat Heater-Cooler: Like some new vehicle seats cool the drivers backside. Thermoelectric cooling ( TEC ) technology. [Peltier] (From an advertizement) Inside the seat pad there is 6 polyethylene tube flask in the fire proof material. 1/3 of the tube can be felt when human body touches the surface. And immediately you can feel cool or warm. The car seat cushion’s power consumption is 30W. Working continually 33 hours will consume 1 watt–hour electricity. The thermoelectric ( TEC) car seat cushion works in low safe 12V voltage both it's cool and warm function. The tube, which carries antifreeze, can bear 150Kg pressure. And there is a pump inside the power box that transfers cool or warm to the pad surface. The power system is separated from the seat itself. In low voltage condition it is very safe to use in normal. All the materials are fire resistant to ensure safety. The circulatory system is airproof and no probability of leakage. Huimao China

I couldn't get that link to work.

A couple responses:
1. I think the ice option is out for me.
2. Major modifications to the seat are probably out too. I believe my grandfather may have built the seat when he worked in the factory in 39 so I am planning to use the stock seat with a new skin as its in pretty decent shape.

t walgamuth · #14 01-10-2013, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

Swamp cooler....

I don't think this will be an option in the very small windows of the coupe express cab.

Air&Road · #15 01-10-2013, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I couldn't get that link to work.

A couple responses:
1. I think the ice option is out for me.
2. Major modifications to the seat are probably out too. I believe my grandfather may have built the seat when he worked in the factory in 39 so I am planning to use the stock seat with a new skin as its in pretty decent shape.

Doh! I had not thought of the connection between Indiana roots and the desire for a Studebaker.