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Old 03-26-2013, 11:37 PM
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Even the GT3 doesn't come with a stick, get over it.
Ferrari no longer makes a manual either.

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Old 03-26-2013, 11:41 PM
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No.

I'm 33. I can be reasonably expected to drive for another 45 years if that. If I buy one or two new cars with a real transmission, rather than ones designed for drooling gimps, cell-phone-yapping teen girls, and overweight American porky-pies with ruined knees, they can be reasonably expected to last my entire driving career. Or at least till this country switches to 100% electric cars making the choice of transmission irrelevant.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:41 PM
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The advent of the electric starter must have cheesed you off.
I want a car with manual windows damit. Can't believe these lazy fat americans can't be bothered to roll up their own windows.

And don't get me started on electric door locks.
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Ferrari no longer makes a manual either.
Because Ferraris are mostly bought by old men with limp penises and bad knees -- the clientele tends to be too gimpy to drive a real car anymore.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:48 PM
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Because Ferraris are mostly bought by old men with limp penises and bad knees -- the clientele tends to be too gimpy to drive a real car anymore.
Go look in a Ferrari F1 and tell me what kind of transmission you find.
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Go look in a Ferrari F1 and tell me what kind of transmission you find.
I'd have no desire to drive an F1 car on the street. I'd rather have CONTROL, not have HAL-10000 calling the goddamned shots. You'd also find a steering wheel that turns about 1/4 turn each way in an F1 car
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:52 PM
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I'd have no desire to drive an F1 car on the street. I'd rather have CONTROL, not have HAL-10000 calling the goddamned shots. You'd also find a steering wheel that turns about 1/4 turn each way in an F1 car
I think the point is that a manumatic trans is more efficient, faster and better for racing and for people who want high performance. Kind of like an electric started being more efficient, fuel injection being more fuel efficient ....

If you want a manual, go build your own car.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:55 PM
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I want a car with manual windows damit. Can't believe these lazy fat americans can't be bothered to roll up their own windows.

And don't get me started on electric door locks.
Drove in a car the other day with manual windows, took me a split second...

Those new transmissions shift faster than a driver can blink his eye.
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I think the point is that a manumatic trans is more efficient, faster and better for racing and for people who want high performance. Kind of like an electric started being more efficient, fuel injection being more fuel efficient ....

If you want a manual, go build your own car.
Efficiency is about the same between a manual and automated manual, in some cars one is 1 mpg better, in some cars it's the other way around. As far as shift times being 0.5s faster, I really don't give an aerial yank.

I don't want a goddamn race car -- I want one that's simple, durable, easy to work on, and can be push started if the battery is low. I'd rather have the most low-end Kia or Fiat 500 than anything with a 2-pedal excuse for a gearbox aka wimpomatic.

Fortunately, at least a few cars with real 3-pedal transmission are still available in this excuse for a country.

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Old 03-27-2013, 12:15 AM
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:43 AM
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Because Ferraris are mostly bought by old men with limp penises and bad knees -- the clientele tends to be too gimpy to drive a real car anymore.
Why always the need to be nasty?
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Efficiency is about the same between a manual and automated manual, in some cars one is 1 mpg better, in some cars it's the other way around. As far as shift times being 0.5s faster, I really don't give an aerial yank.

I don't want a goddamn race car -- I want one that's simple, durable, easy to work on, and can be push started if the battery is low. I'd rather have the most low-end Kia or Fiat 500 than anything with a 2-pedal excuse for a gearbox aka wimpomatic.

Fortunately, at least a few cars with real 3-pedal transmission are still available in this excuse for a country.

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Old 03-27-2013, 11:27 AM
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I'd have no desire to drive an F1 car on the street. I'd rather have CONTROL, not have HAL-10000 calling the goddamned shots. You'd also find a steering wheel that turns about 1/4 turn each way in an F1 car
You might find this interesting:

The SD has a four speed automatic.

I have just as much control for all upshifts and for the 4-3 downshift as you have in your manual 240.

I press on the go pedal, and, when I want to shift, I simply lift my foot ever so slightly and the SD takes the next higher gear. No HAL-1000 calling the goddamned shots. When I want a 4-3 downshift, I simply touch the shifter and pull it back one notch.

I get the benefit of a manual transmission without a clutch. It's far superior to a clutch and a shifter for daily driving.

The only downside is the difficulty of downshifting 3-2. It's almost never required, however and I've never missed having it.

You're wedded to a manual gearbox for all the traditional reasons and refuse to look outside the box at a system that is superior in just about every respect for a daily driver.

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