Yes, and it would have been so much better if they had done it for less pay and been thankful for having a job the way so many of our WalMart employees do. They just didn't know their place.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Do you really think WalMart employees need to be paid more? Please...you really need to understand that to increase the wages, increases the cost of their products, which in turn means their increased wages don't really do much more than increase their taxes. It's a horrible cycle, one that has yet to end, and everyone winds up getting hurt by it.

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1987 560SL
85,000 miles

Horrors, no.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Who pays your cradle-to-grave healthcare, education, and retirement? Where does the funding originate? Who decides its distribution? How do they make that decision? Etc.

You win, hands down.

Clearly workers should be paid according to their need for money, not according to their ability to generate a market.

She seemed like a good PM.


I'm no fan of unions, and the British ones ruined their automotive industry. She reigned some of there power in.

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2006 CL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2026 Genesis GV70
2007 Tiara 3200

it is a common perception that the unions ruined the british automotive industry....I'd love to see an analysis of that time period and see if that perception is true.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

How's your Jaguar running? Love that union-made electrical system, right?

As opposed to what, stockholders who generate a market???

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

As opposed to nothing.

That's what I thought.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

I win??? Let's not make this personal!



Who pays for the mistakes of a capitalist system then? To where do the banks run when they've been too greedy? They go to Daddy government. And then after hand outs and bail outs - and absurd bonuses have been paid to the idiots who have made the mess in the first place - they start *****ing and moaning about taxes and the social system.

The problem with capitalism is that it often uses convenient economics. The costs of building and maintaining an existing society and infrastructure are conveniently ignored They are assumed to be just like sunlight - a gift.

The problem with modern social systems is that they are intertwined with a childish greedy capitalist system that doesn't value the social support.

Neither socialism or capitalism should ignore economics.

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

I think that that perception is wrong.

The reason why British Leyland fell apart is that they made products that nobody wanted to buy (for the price). Sure striking didn't help productivity or the quality of the product (just look at the way in which Jaguars were thrown together back then)...

...but I think the main problems were with the management. Arrogant management killed both the British car and motor bike industry. They didn't move with the times.

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

I don't think the lives of the working classes are worthless. If it wasn't for the working classes the industrial revolution and the beginning of capitalism would never have started. Not only did the working classes actually get the job done they also produced some of the finest engineers and technicians (who subsequently became middle class!) in society. Whereas the leading elite produced...

...what exactly?

Whilst the strikes were undoubtedly a problem at the time - the problem with the evil Mrs T was that she over reacted and destroyed communities. She put people out of work and forced them into a benefit system that still hinders the country today. It was a stupid paranoid negative move.

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

I don't know that much about the British car industry but here in the us a lot of folks like to blame labor for the us car manufacturers losing market share to the Japanese. It is clear to me that management made poor decisions about quality of assembly and modernizing the designs. It is not the workers who make such basic choices. In the us management always chose short term profit over building a better product in the crucial years from about 1970 on.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.