The only thing one could say with any honesty is "it wasn't as easy" if there was no safe. The degree of additional difficulty is arguable and subjective at best.

How are contracts with insurance companies like laws enforced by governments, compare apples and coconuts much?

Larry et al. The discussion was not that the government should do a damn thing.
MS started off with the pipe dream premise that it would be a good thing if attitudes surrounding the securing of firearms which are not directly in a person's possession could be altered to reflect a heightened sense of responsibility....
Guess we know the answer to that little concept.....

Even the mere suggestion that it would be kinda cool if people showed greater personal responsibility for securing their weapons, immediately gets the 'football bat' and 'keep the gooberment outta my house' crap.
Newsflash - you guys here are probably not the focus of the desire to see more responsible treatment of weapons -
Maybe Phil can enlighten us as to the demographic which could really use a basic course in gun responsibility...

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Indeed.

The comparison was in regards to personal liability for a stolen item.

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There can't be very much of a comparison, because there is very limited or no personal legal liability assignable to the owner of a stolen item used in the commision of a crime by another person.

Your imagining personal liability where it does not exist.

When we are regulated by the actions of the criminals than we have lost.

Here's an idea, how about removing slack judges that let these thieves and murderers right back out. How about the death penalty for using a stolen weapon in a crime resulting in injury. There is not a clear message being projected the judicial system.

What I do with my property within my property is not for discussion.

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It's okay if the other person's freedom is attacked as long as I'm okay.

When did guns get to be the equivalent of garden shears and base ball bats? It's a gun. It's is different by design and function. Semtex and C4 are not 4th of July fire crackers. Not sure why we are expected to treat guns the same as other objects.

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Well it's like this: It's my life and my responsibility.

What else have you got?

Many imagine such personal liability, and see it as a next step in reducing inadvertent access to firearms by those who have no business with them.

I'd rather see these practices become mainstream by outreach and education than legislation.

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So you are of the belief that every gun owner treats their weapon with the respect and responsibility that it deserves?

Again, the OP was speaking of changing attitudes, not writing legislation.
You have gone from zero to soapbox in about 2 posts.... what's so difficult about even discussing this subject?
I truly believe that this type of failure to entertain a civil discussion is going to hasten the passage of more restrictive laws, because you put forth the appearance of unhinged zealot. Everyone loves to pass restrictive legislation against zealots...

And to deal with your comment more directly.... yes, apparently this is the modus operandi for the vast majority of citizens in our country, including the vocal 2A defenders. Wasn't until someone wanted to discuss possible restrictions on their toys that they started screaming. As long as they don't suffer any inconvenience, they will watch their Constitutional Rights get flushed one by one without so much as a whimper.

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Personal responsibility? Sorry Bot, but that's something that a liberal could not comprehend in a MILLION years.

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Bot is INDEED carrying on a civil discussion. The problem is that as a liberal, you will NEVER understand the idea of personal responsibility and small government, if you were to concentrate on it 24/7 for the rest of your life.

Bot "gets it."

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If explosives are required to be stored properly why not guns? Would everyone feel safe if explosives were just put behind a chain link fence on private property?

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What a bunch you are. Hardly any reasonable approach at all.....


We have safe storage here; it's the law. Everyone with guns went out and bought a gun safe - big deal. Before this, guns were stored behind the back door or in plain sight. No ones rights were violated by having safe storage. The gun registry is history here - all you need is a licence.

Every 5 years I have to get a new free licence. To get one, I needed to fill out a form that asks enough questions that it would weed out problem types. My wife also had to sign it which is also an extra layer of vigalance. Most people with criminal records, mental problems, or anything that would trigger a '' yes '' on the form, probably decide not to even bother filling it out, I'd imagine.

We have some gun crime here but it's fairly low. Of those murders being done with hand guns, almost all of them are committed with ilegal weapons that are being smuggled into Canada from States along I75. Your problem has now become our problem so don't tell me I have no dog in this hunt.

It's beyond belielef that someone wouldn't take a proactive approach to safe gun ownership. It's goes even further that otherwise intellegent guys ( on this site ) would act like a bunch of DB's when it comes to simple little things like this.

You will get whatever laws you deserve in the end..............and you will blame everyone but yourselves.

Way to paint everybody with the same brush!

I have never taken a gun poll to see what the proportion of safe handling is in the population. So I'll take your word for it.