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davidmash · #31 05-24-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nate300d

Thank you so much. That has been my point with people on this matter.
If they are private it is their business.

And no one has said it was not their business. No laws were passed restricting the BSA in any way.

Their decision to allows gays to openly participate sounds like it was a business decision. The recent publicity they have received regarding Eagle Scouts being denied the Eagle Scout honor (Ryan Andresen) has put the BSA in a very poor light.

Society has a habit of becoming more inclusive and more accepting as each generation passes. Things that were unthinkable a few generations ago (mixed marriages) are now common place. Homosexuality is no longer a big deal for the younger generations. They are no longer a group to be shunned and cast out of society. They are who they are and so long as they abide by the laws of this country (same that applies to anyone else in this country) they are accepted in this country.

Soon the BSA will allow gay leaders and in a few years all of this will be forgotten. The only people who will have their panties in a bunch will be the religious fanatics in the corner muttering to them selves. They will always be there. Just like the KKK and skin heads are always there. They are a vocal minority but a minority none the less.

Brian Carlton · #32 05-24-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

There were no homosexuals in our troop.

You make this conclusion because nobody dropped their pants in front of you..........???

davidmash · #33 05-24-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

You make this conclusion because nobody dropped their pants in front of you..........???

Perhaps there was no mark of the devil on their foreheads?

Brian Carlton · #34 05-24-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Perhaps there was no mark of the devil on their foreheads?

I wonder if he can tell if there are any children that are being abused in the troop?

Since he can tell there are no homosexuals, his capability to spot child abuse simply by looking at the face would be very valuable.

davidmash · #35 05-24-2013, 04:15 PM

Sometimes the gift of being able to look at a person and judge is limited in scope.

martureo · #36 05-24-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I have been been unable to Google an answer if they are 100% private funded or if they touch private money in any way, shape or form. Do you know?

I know they are a private organization. Each troop has some form of sponsor or at least a community location at which they meet. My Boy Scout Troop and my Cub Scout Troop met in Elementary schools.

I have not heard of them getting any public monies and I don't know why they'd need them.

martureo · #37 05-24-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

As an organization they can do whatever they want - my comments weren't directed toward any legality. Should they do whatever they want? Probably not.

Why not? Homosexuals seem to think that if you want something you should do it. I see a double standard.

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Should they care about whether someone is gay? Probably not. I am not allowed to comment on that? Is that any different than you commenting on other couples' marriages?

I am coming from a position of tradition, you are the one sticking your nose into the issue.

And since the BSA has always been a religious group (mainly Judeo-Christian), I'd say religious beliefs and traditions have some place in their politics.

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I had gay kids in my troop, we never had any problems except for them getting undeservedly harassed every now and then.

Recruitment was only from the military who attempted to do so heavily...glad we have consensus on not being recruited by those awful gays.

martureo · #38 05-24-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

You make this conclusion because nobody dropped their pants in front of you..........???

I make this conclusion because it was a tight knit group. I still keep in touch with many of the guys in that troop and I was a leader for quite some time.

Now, if since that time that I was last active someone has "come out" then I would have no clue.

martureo · #39 05-24-2013, 04:24 PM

I do find it interesting that making one comment without insult lands me in the inquisition and then mocked for the next 30 minutes.

So much for the "bias and prejudices" rejection you guys keep talking about.

tbomachines · #40 05-24-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Why not? Homosexuals seem to think that if you want something you should do it. I see a double standard.

Its quite the same with many heterosexuals. If you want to talk about double standards....

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I am coming from a position of tradition, you are the one sticking your nose into the issue.

And since the BSA has always been a religious group (mainly Judeo-Christian), I'd say religious beliefs and traditions have some place in their politics.

Sometimes "tradition" is not what is always best for the health of an organization. Do you disagree?

Brian Carlton · #41 05-24-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I make this conclusion because it was a tight knit group. .

So, I take it that none of the boys in the "tight knit group" dropped their pants in front of you............and hence your conclusion? You're very good at this clairvoyance...........I have to tell 'ya.

Brian Carlton · #42 05-24-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I do find it interesting that making one comment without insult lands me in the inquisition and then mocked for the next 30 minutes.

So much for the "bias and prejudices" rejection you guys keep talking about.

Mocking a man with extreme prejudices is good for the soul. Everybody should do it.

anthonyb · #43 05-24-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Mocking a man with extreme prejudices is good for the soul.

That is the best thing I've read here in a good long time.

davidmash · #44 05-24-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I do find it interesting that making one comment without insult lands me in the inquisition and then mocked for the next 30 minutes.

So much for the "bias and prejudices" rejection you guys keep talking about.

Larry has tried this same song and dance for years and it has never worked for him. You being pretty new at this game might want to come up with a different plan of attack. Your future with this line of defense does not bode well.

jplinville · #45 05-24-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I have been been unable to Google an answer if they are 100% private funded or if they touch private money in any way, shape or form. Do you know?

As an Eagle Scout, former volunteer for the Dan Beard Council, former Scout Master, and former Cub Scout Daycamp Director...I can say with all certainty that I am not aware of any public monies being used to support the BSA. Our funding came from fund raisers, private donations and dwindling support from charitable organizations.

This is a sad day in BSA. Since most of you who support this have never been affiliated with the BSA, you have no idea how the camps are done. Boys share tents with each other, or in some cases, cabins. When it's hot at night, they generally sleep on top of their sleeping bags in their underwear. These boys do not need to be exposed to a situation where a fellow scout, quite possibly sleeping next to them in a tent, comes out as a homosexual. First off, the straight boy will wind up being grossed out and want to fight the offending boy. The offending boy will be a mess from it, and will tell their parents. The parents will contact an attorney. The attorney will sue the BSA, and we will no longer have a BSA.

This isn't a situation where they are flowing with enough cash to settle out of court. This is a cash strapped organization that does what it can to provide the proper boy scouting experience for kids.

I, for one, am glad I no longer have anything to do with the BSA. I feel they folded to a minority group's PR campaign out of desperation.

I suppose they will now change the Oath.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

I expect them to remove God and morally straight next...because it offends someone.