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Old 06-11-2013, 12:59 PM
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oh I agree, hes an idiot. Though it seemed to me nearly unconscious on his part, just a light slap when hes saying good job.

I loved the reaction of the coutroom cop behind though
Regardless, you best behave in court. He has a little time to think about it.

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Old 06-11-2013, 01:01 PM
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sure, the timing of an action is entirely important to determine if it was appropriate or not, as well as the place. Im not sure how you disagree with that.
By your logic the fact that you can unzip your pants and take a leak in a urinal in the mens room also means that its totally cool for you to walk outside 15 minutes later, unzip your pants and take a leak in your neighbors potted plants while they are weeding them.
Obviously the timing and place have a huge relevance to whats appropriate or not.

While the judge is directly talking to you during sentencing is NOT when its appropriate to hug anyone, answer your cell phone, wave to the gallery, or slap your lawyer on the butt. 20 minutes later when deliberations are over and the judge has gaveled the session to a close, no doubt he could kiss his lawyer on the mouth and it would not be a big deal.

Might want to use a different analogy than the urinal thing. Taking a leak in a urinal is OK, taking a leak in a potted plant is not OK. Urinating is OK in designated areas. Those areas are usually obvious as they have toilets or urinals present.

I agree with Brian on this one. The judge should be basing decisions on the action, not the effect. The defendant in this case had no control over the actions of the others and should not be held responsible. I think her actions were high handed and capricious.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:03 PM
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I tend to agree that his act was benign, but what are you so sure?
it could also play out as sarcasm of the judge complimenting his lawyer.

secondly, whatever motivations there were behind the slap are irrelevant to order being lost and decorum being breached because of him.

Why are you so interested in splitting hairs here? you don't think he's at fault for making everyone laugh? If he had NOT done that, no one would have laughed and he wouldn't have been punished. He has only himself to blame for creating that situation, no matter what his intentions were.
Nobody can be sure of anything.

He might be at the root cause of the laughter, but it was the laughter that caused the loss of decorum.

I blame the gallery for the loss of decorum...........they have an obligation to STFU in a courtroom.

I do not blame the individual for a benign act.
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Regardless, you best behave in court. He has a little time to think about it.

Yep, THAT is the key.

There are many people reacting against the judge in this case. That indicates to me the extreme lack of respect for authority and proper bahavior. There are so many people this way, due to the rapidly decaying society. We have a HUGE number of people these days that are absolutely spoiled with their very sad "if it feels good do it" no matter what any body thinks kind of attitude.

Just another typical example of the rapidly advancing decadence of our society.

I hate it that so many of our PeachParts brothers are in this group. Very sad.
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Might want to use a different analogy than the urinal thing. Taking a leak in a urinal is OK, taking a leak in a potted plant is not OK. Urinating is OK in designated areas. Those areas are usually obvious as they have toilets or urinals present.

I agree with Brian on this one. The judge should be basing decisions on the action, not the effect. The defendant in this case had no control over the actions of the others and should not be held responsible. I think her actions were high handed and capricious.
Edited the original for better analogy while you wrote this.

I think her judgement on him was harsh, but also this is a TMZ edited video from the back, and he could have been insolent and giving her looks the whole time. He definitely moved around enough during the punishment.

I think it was benign, but the possibility of sarcasm of the judge is also there, and either way, he should have known better than to do anything but stand there and look at her while she talked directly to him
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:12 PM
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Nobody can be sure of anything.

He might be at the root cause of the laughter, but it was the laughter that caused the loss of decorum.

I blame the gallery for the loss of decorum...........they have an obligation to STFU in a courtroom.

I do not blame the individual for a benign act.
obviously you and the judge disagree. Were I her, I may have flayed him verbally for a bit and put fear into him and the gallery for presuming to disrupt proceedings, then let it go as a warning.

She felt he needed to be punished, maybe she has problems maintaining control in her court and this punishment was also an example for her court police as well standing around grinning and feeding the amusement.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:31 PM
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No different than hugging the lawyer for a job well done. Judge is a hard ass. I know a federal judge quite well. She is a hottie, but also a very no bull**** judge. she might have done the same thing.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:32 PM
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Everyone missed it. When the judge complemented the attorney on the “work” he did, she was essentially hitting on the attorney. The judge and the attorney clearly have a relationship of some type. The next thing, the gallery was giggling. She, the judge, may have thought on one level at least they were giggling at her intention and she unloaded on the perp, thus protecting the attorney but admonishing both through the perp. In the end, by her own words, if not for the “work” of the attorney, whatever that really means, the perp wouldn’t have gotten probation.

The answer above is as good as any. Trying to figure out how the mind of a woman works is a pointless waste of time, doomed to failure.

But still, her emotional outburst aside, the perp didn’t do anything to justify the change of sentence.

Of course, the other detail is that people who behave violently towards their domestic partner should spend time in in jail.
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:55 PM
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She used the laughter from the gallery as her sole argument that the individual was making a mockery of his situation.

I have nothing else but the clip. If you have anything else, or wish to be more clairvoyant than I, please have at it.

I disagree with the fundamental premise that his action was disrespectful to the court. It was very fast, without any drama, and was not designed to provoke a response from the gallery.
Uh, you're the one who spoke so definitively about what had to have happened. Me? I'm just pointing that out. I never claimed any clairvoyance, just my interpretation of what little we see -- filtered by actual experiences in courtrooms and my personal knowledge of a few judges.

MY GUESS about it is that she may not have actually seen the butt slap (that's sort of how it seems), and the reason the clip thereafter stops and restarts is she called a recess or told them to turn off the camera and then checked with her staff to see what caused the disruption.

Once she knew about it, it wasn't the laughter that irked her, it was that his conduct reflected or suggested a casual "locker room" attitude rather than what should have been somber, serious proceedings. (That you think it wasn't disrespectful means about as much as what I think about the price of tea in China.)

You note the deputy in the foreground? He's one of the first to react, and part of the reason for his reaction -- again, MY GUESS -- is that he knew it was inappropriate.

You're free to disagree with me, of course. While we don't have all the facts, I'll bet that if you checked with the Judge and had her read this thread, she'd agree more closely with my analysis than with your gut reaction.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:21 PM
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obviously you and the judge disagree. Were I her, I may have flayed him verbally for a bit and put fear into him and the gallery for presuming to disrupt proceedings, then let it go as a warning.

She felt he needed to be punished, maybe she has problems maintaining control in her court and this punishment was also an example for her court police as well standing around grinning and feeding the amusement.
I have a suspicion that the judge was completely unhappy with the arrangement entered into by the prosecution and the defense, and took the opportunity of the butt slap to lay on some time which she felt he earned with his crime.
I read absolutely no appreciation for the defense attorney into her praise for his work. Seemed downright irked in fact.

Getting a sweetheart deal like he got is all the more reason to stand perfectly still and only speak when spoken to until you are dismissed. Any perceived display of disrespect is dangerous when the judge is set against you.
I'm surprised that he didn't catch more for unsolicited comments he made later in the clip.

Notice that at the end, his attorney was going to pat him on the shoulder, and pulled his hand back at the last moment....
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Nobody can be sure of anything.

He might be at the root cause of the laughter, but it was the laughter that caused the loss of decorum.

I blame the gallery for the loss of decorum...........they have an obligation to STFU in a courtroom.

I do not blame the individual for a benign act.
C'mon....he's an idiot. His actions were the height of stupidity. I'm with Steve Smith on this one...

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His actions were the height of stupidity.

IOW, he's a FIRST CLASS MORROOONNN!
Since the word is "actions", I conclude that the plural implies your condemnation of far more than a benign tap on the ass.

If so, then you're probably right.

I'm simply referring to a single benign act and that act is definitely not the height of stupidity.
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MY GUESS about it is that she may not have actually seen the butt slap (that's sort of how it seems), and the reason the clip thereafter stops and restarts is she called a recess or told them to turn off the camera and then checked with her staff to see what caused the disruption.

Once she knew about it, it wasn't the laughter that irked her, it was that his conduct reflected or suggested a casual "locker room" attitude rather than what should have been somber, serious proceedings. (That you think it wasn't disrespectful means about as much as what I think about the price of tea in China.)
My guess is that you're completely incorrect.

Here's why:

Take a look at the woman deputy on the far side of the court. Her hand is placed flat on the table at the point where the clip supposedly stops. At the supposed "restart", her hand has not moved from that position.

My conclusion is that there could not have been more than a few seconds of lost information in that tape and all of your theory on a "recess" is not supported by the tape.

My conclusion is that she absolutely saw the slap on the ass and responded to it after the gallery erupted in laughter.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:30 PM
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Edited the original for better analogy while you wrote this.

I think her judgement on him was harsh, but also this is a TMZ edited video from the back, and he could have been insolent and giving her looks the whole time. He definitely moved around enough during the punishment.

I think it was benign, but the possibility of sarcasm of the judge is also there, and either way, he should have known better than to do anything but stand there and look at her while she talked directly to him
Whether there were or were not other mitigating factors I do not know. I was basing my comment solely on what I saw in the video. Based on that her decision was high handed and vindictive. I think judges have far to much leeway in the way they conduct the court.
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Your conclusion that he's an idiot is based upon the reaction of the courtroom spectators and the resulting loss of etiquette due to the generated laughter.

I'm quite sure he had absolutely no inclination or belief that such an act would result in hyesterics by the gallery. The "slap" was hardly significant and it occurred exactly at the point where the judge congratulated the performance of the attorney.

The judge reacted to the behavior of the gallery and penalized the individual because of the response of the gallery. If the gallery did not respond, the judge would not have acted..........be sure of that.

So, we have a judge that makes a ruling based upon the response of the spectators. How fair is that?
What that guy said.

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