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Botnst 06-29-2013 08:54 AM

The two things that define Christians
#1 are belief in personal salvation through the grace of God and faith in Jesus Christ and
#2 it is every Christians duty to bring faith in Jesus to the unbelievers.

Various denominations express it somewhat differently and have various rituals which they believe facilitate the relationship. But at the core, failing to do either of those two things is failing to follow Jesus. You may as well watch football on Sunday.

aklim 06-29-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3167852)
The two things that define Christians
#1 are belief in personal salvation through the grace of God and faith in Jesus Christ and
#2 it is every Christians duty to bring faith in Jesus to the unbelievers.

Various denominations express it somewhat differently and have various rituals which they believe facilitate the relationship. But at the core, failing to do either of those two things is failing to follow Jesus. You may as well watch football on Sunday.

But if it is not football season? Or I really don't enjoy watching sports. I think my time is better spent supporting struggling college girls at the local strip bar than to sell my soul to a deity.

Botnst 06-29-2013 09:36 AM

You gotta serve somebody.

Gotta Serve Somebody with Etta James - YouTube

aklim 06-29-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3167865)

Perhaps but if I do, I want that person to be real and be able to do me favors as needed. Even the devil in the movies gives you something for your soul. With a god, all you get is a definite maybe. If you get it, it is from the deity. If not, it is part of a plan. Heads I win, Tails you lose.

Botnst 06-29-2013 10:12 AM

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

JamesDean 06-29-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 3167618)
I've been skimming this thread. I'm always amazed at how many responses these religion threads get, considering that I've never heard of an internet discussion turning a theist into a non-theist or vice versa.

Quite right. I dont think I've heard of that either. I just find the discussion interesting. Up until a few pages ago it was doing fairly well compared to the political threads.

Also I'm not hear to "gang up" on anyone. I dont think I really asked anything or said anything that attacked folks. Poked fun at..maybe. My knowledge is fairly weak in these areas so I'm just observing and learning.

The Swede 06-29-2013 03:21 PM

Filler.

/Unsubscribe

cmbdiesel 06-29-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3167470)
A person doesn't have to read very deeply on this thread to understand why some people don't want to go to heaven. It's the same reason they don't want to spend Sunday morning at their local fundamentalist church.

ding, ding, ding..... we have a winner!!

cmbdiesel 06-29-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer (Post 3167474)
supernatural magical being ? deny vs. doesn't believe ...admit ...

I am starting to see why Martureo is getting annoyed.

If a person opts to not believe in God, then that is his or her your choice. And yes, a Christian can say from his or her perspective that "you" are denying the existence of God. Are you now even remotely suggesting that a Christian needs to be so "PC" that he or she needs to reword the way he or she addresses the question? You got to be kidding me. I can only assume from that bizarro perspective that Christians are required to re-write the Bible to fit into the current generation's mindset or some politically fashionable agenda?

Rewriting the bible to fit the current generations mindset???
Didn't we do that already??:confused:

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Originally Posted by greazzer (Post 3167474)
I can only assume you are sincere when you believe that you are no more than a sophisticated insect, which is born, lives, then dies and rots in the ground. BUT, I cannot even use the word "believe" since that would not fit into your world view since you really believe in nothing. That would fail the PC test, too. Rather, you have to either "know" everything or not. I guess it's lonely being such a sophisticated insect-like creature who will be rotting in the ground yet knows everything there is to know.

Who says insects don't go to heaven?
Have you asked any of them if they believe?
If they have accepted jesus as their personal savior?

cmbdiesel 06-29-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean (Post 3167512)
Maybe the dinosaurs had their own iteration of Jesus? Raptor Jesus?

Maybe dinosaurs were a mistake, not suitably sentient? and he decided to wipe the slate clean and chucked an asteroid at the Earth.

This discussion gets more interesting if you tie in the age of the Earth, other species that were/are living on here as well as the age of the universe and its size/scope.

The dinosaurs were unrepentant...

many of them could not kneel in front of Gawd either....

cmbdiesel 06-29-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3167531)
Promise?
You have ran this game before.

ain't that the truth.... I like truth....;) and bacon....

cixelsyD 06-30-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3168027)
ain't that the truth.... I like truth....;) and bacon....

ding ding ding!

We have ANOTHER winner folks!

To the Cured Fundamentalist Porcineologist in the back!

cixelsyD 06-30-2013 12:56 PM

I don't recall seeing this in here yet...
 
Good comedy here, you just can't make this stuff up...

Lots of references to this, pick a search engine.




Dr Laura and Leviticus

Laura Schlesinger is a US radio personality, who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. She recently said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstances. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura which was posted on the Internet. Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
Homer Simpson-Caldwell

davidmash 06-30-2013 02:56 PM

There was a West Wing episode in which a character representing her was skewered by the president (Martin Sheen) saying some of the same things above. Great piece.

elchivito 06-30-2013 03:17 PM

I got cornered at a get together I hadn't wanted to attend by this bug-eyed loony who insisted that the U.S. Constitution is based on Leviticus. Her somewhat limited evidence for this theory was the fact that the Liberty Bell has a line from Leviticus on it. "Proclaim liberty throughout the land...."

I asked her if that's the case how come they left out all the food laws and rules about what animals to sacrifice for which infractions?
Then her eyes got even more bugged out and she went away.


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