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View Poll Results: Heaven? Hell? The Devil? You buy into it?
Hell Yes!!! 15 35.71%
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:21 PM
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in the wild even they will poop in the mud wallow and lay in it,I don't like commercial chicken either the farmers make them walk thru filth,and eat there food from the ground.At least we don't eat cow legs.or do we? OH yeah I know how chicken feed is made,corn,blood,parts of chickens.
Ever raise poultry, or a hog, or for that matter cattle? Chickens dig and scratch thru their own and everybody else's poop looking for tasty bugs and seeds and bits. Nobody raises pigs in mud anymore, if they ever did. Beef leg -shank- is widely consumed. Used for grinding into burger meat and used in lots of stews and braises. Beef Bourguignon comes to mind, fancy French stew. There is nothing inherently more unsanitary about modern pigs than any other meat animal.

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in the wild even they will poop in the mud wallow and lay in it,I don't like commercial chicken either the farmers make them walk thru filth,and eat there food from the ground.At least we don't eat cow legs.or do we? OH yeah I know how chicken feed is made,corn,blood,parts of chickens.
Would you want to eat veggies if you know they use milogornite to fertilize them?
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The Old Testament (OT) vs. the New Testament (NT) is just that, history vs. now.

Following the teachings of Christ is NOT what the Crusaders did. They were the EyeForAnEye Gang...stupid from the word go.

As for Islam and the drivel coming from Muhammed...poison from the trampled. Islam is like anything against another religion...hell (pardon the pun), they can't even get along with their own kind...how would ANYONE (Muslim, Jew, Christian, Spahgetti-Monster, Buddist, Moaist, Atheist, whatever) expect anyone to be of the same mind and matter?

The NT is what God wanted everyone to be like...Christ-like in that you treat everyone as you would like to be treated, believe in one God, not some flavor-of-the-day nutjob that eats grass and drinks his urine.

Just believe. No prayers to some crumbling wall, shiney temple, bullet-scarred mosque, dirt hut, church down the street or some piece of cloth hanging in some wad's closet. No sacred cow, bull, beetle, cat or cat's scat. No marking yourself as to what sect you belong to or section-housing you escaped from. No tithing, alms or donations to some project to be built, donated to, covered up or to cover underfunding from some snake-oil hack's sale.

Just believe that Christ died as the One and Final Offering...the lamb for God.

So simple to do yet so hard for many to understand and accept.

Does anyone need to know you did it?

Nope.

It's between you and God.

Now...if you'd like to talk to others about it...don't put on the armor, get on a high horse and take on the masses.

Just ask if anyone's interested.

Those that don't mind listening, will listen.

The others?

I believe the saying that best applies to this thread is this "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).

We know a few on here who have been torn to pieces.

But, can we fervently hope that those that might be perceived as dogs and swine come about and have a change of heart? Nor should they be expected to have to openly profess their change. Remember, it's a process that need only be between themselves and God.

It will and should, eventually, become evident on its own, by their words and deeds.

BTW, Hell is real. We only THINK we know what it's about. None of us will understand, truly, the true horrors of its existence until it's too late.
Nothing like giving yourself a reference, is there? All you claim is justified by itself. Much like me writing a math book where 2+2 is 25 because it is justified by chapter 3.
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I believe in Jesus teachings,and God. But have trouble with the old teastament,and the Pauline letters. Remember what writings we have are from Rome,and Rome was evil. I'd love to study the Coptic Bible in Ethiopia.
hence I call myself oldsinner as I sin everyday,I have the hope of a blessed afterlife. 111 means father,son,and holy spirit.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:02 AM
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I believe in Jesus teachings,and God. But have trouble with the old teastament,and the Pauline letters. Remember what writings we have are from Rome,and Rome was evil. I'd love to study the Coptic Bible in Ethiopia.
hence I call myself oldsinner as I sin everyday,I have the hope of a blessed afterlife. 111 means father,son,and holy spirit.
That's quite a far stretch from the truth.

Avoid the Apochrypha if you want to avoid Rome. The Orthodox Church still has much of the same canon as most Protestant churches. 66 books.

And just for the record, the "Rome" you're thinking of didn't appear on the scene until at minimum three centuries after all the books of the Bible were written.
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I believe in Jesus teachings,and God. But have trouble with the old teastament,and the Pauline letters. Remember what writings we have are from Rome,and Rome was evil. I'd love to study the Coptic Bible in Ethiopia.
hence I call myself oldsinner as I sin everyday,I have the hope of a blessed afterlife. 111 means father,son,and holy spirit.
Rome is evil? Come again?
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:09 AM
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Rome is evil? Come again?
I'd agree with him on that.

Money, sex, lies. The three things Rome has had longer than it's had orthodox beliefs. (or a pope for that matter)
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I'd agree with him on that.

Money, sex, lies. The three things Rome has had longer than it's had orthodox beliefs. (or a pope for that matter)
And where, "pray tell" has there been a shortage of that in human history?
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That's quite a far stretch from the truth.

Avoid the Apochrypha if you want to avoid Rome. The Orthodox Church still has much of the same canon as most Protestant churches. 66 books.

And just for the record, the "Rome" you're thinking of didn't appear on the scene until at minimum three centuries after all the books of the Bible were written.
Can't even resist correcting a confessed true believer.
Wow.
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And where, "pray tell" has there been a shortage of that in human history?
Around my house. Damn it.
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Can't even resist correcting a confessed true believer.
Wow.
OldSinner's a heretic I believe. (or at least he will be in the future if he resists correction) He doesn't accept the authority of St. Paul. Hence the need for correction.
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the Bible is a collection of letters and storys.Man called it Holy
St. Paul was a man who hated women,possible gay.
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the Bible is a collection of letters and storys.Man called it Holy
St. Paul was a man who hated women,possible gay.
And Yet, Peter equated some of Paul's letters with "the other Scriptures".
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the Bible is a collection of letters and storys.Man called it Holy
St. Paul was a man who hated women,possible gay.
He hated women? Really? Does he state that somewhere or is this just your opinion?

1) Paul refers to women many times in his epistles, even writing at least one to a women.
2) Paul refers to women who served with him and served as deacons.

And finally, I find it preposterous that a Pharisee would be gay. The culture was about as anti-gay as you could find.

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