All you have is what Zimmerman said happend.

The justifiable homicide rate went up after the law passed in FL. They seemed to do just fine with out it.

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Vast oversimplification. Most all of the speculation that I have engaged in and that I've read from others is 100 times more rational that the tripe you trot out here.

The girlfriend's account strikes me as more plausible than that of GZ, who has clearly been spinning to cover his behind.

The whole sucker punch scenario is pretty amazing as well and who has been using that one to validate their opinions? Your post reeks of irony.

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There is some truth to what you say but it's a complicated picture. I have no personal ax to grind. I'm trying to understand various things. Have you not heard of the powder cocaine vs. crack cocaine sentencing disparity? In the past 10-15 years (approx/estimate) cocaine use among whites has tended to involve power, among blacks - crack. Sentences for crack are more severe. Quite a bit more severe.

Crack-Powder Sentencing Disparity: Whites Get Probation, Blacks Get A Decade Behind Bars

The studies I've read generally conclude that imprisoning users is one of the least cost effective measure in combatting drug use, while interdiction in other countries (spraying cocaine crops) is even less cost-effective.

As for giving up on rehab, focus on that has always been weak, and now we have an industry that makes major bank keeping people locked up. Woo-Hoo! Private sector baby!

As for this line of yours:

I don't know because I have not reviewed the individual cases of each one; did you do that?

C'mon man, this is nonsense. Leads me to believe you are not open to actually thinking about this issue.

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It was a stupid act in which racial profiling and a muttering of "F-in' coons" was involved.

Who am I kidding? You are one angry dude. I've pretty much given up on having any sort of rational discussion with you. Go with God.

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Does it have anything to do with different crime rates in the respective communities?

GZ said little. The expert witnesses and evidence spoke volumes which you ignore. Why?

Did you not know that the local gang banger whose trait is to wear hoodies are known as/are named "Goons"? I thought I posted links to that earlier.

You are a funny man!

What I meant was that people who are not and has never been racist should not be held accountable for those in the past who were anymore than people who robbed a bank. Is that a troubling concept for you- innocent until proven guilty?

I don't know who started the fight but TM had no injuries... so anyone and everyone would be hard pressed to say GZ threw the first punch and connected.

We also cannot say that if TM had beaten GZ to death that he would be "fully protected" by SYG. Only a judge or jury can come to that conclusion; I think you'd be hard pressed to find a majority of informed people that believe a young man who beat a neighborhood watch person to death would be declared not guilty with the SYG defense.

The Compton Cracker comment was meant to be insult not humor.

I applied for a Mechanics Job with the Compton School District and the Black Lady took My application and ripped it in two and threw it into the Waste Basket and said I did not qualify; which was not true.

She said I had to have a current Class B Drivers License but in the Instructions on the Application it said I had 6 months after being Hired to get the License.
I had no Witness to the event and the Deadline to turn the Application in ended the next Day so there was no way for Me to protest.

Also in CA Law an Individual cannot record some ones Voice without telling them they are being recorded so that prevents you from planning ahead for situations You might need proof of.

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[QUOTE=cmac2012;3183196]There is some truth to what you say but it's a complicated picture. I have no personal ax to grind. I'm trying to understand various things. Have you not heard of the powder cocaine vs. crack cocaine sentencing disparity? In the past 10-15 years (approx/estimate) cocaine use among whites has tended to involve power, among blacks - crack. Sentences for crack are more severe. Quite a bit more severe.

Crack-Powder Sentencing Disparity: Whites Get Probation, Blacks Get A Decade Behind Bars

The studies I've read generally conclude that imprisoning users is one of the least cost effective measure in combatting drug use, while interdiction in other countries (spraying cocaine crops) is even less cost-effective.

As for giving up on rehab, focus on that has always been weak, and now we have an industry that makes major bank keeping people locked up. Woo-Hoo! Private sector baby!

As for this line of yours:

I don't know because I have not reviewed the individual cases of each one; did you do that?

C'mon man, this is nonsense. Leads me to believe you are not open to actually thinking about this issue.[/QUOTE]

Being in Jail keeps the offender from stealing or otherwise victimizing other People; that has to have some monetary and saves the ass of potential Victims.

The reason for the Private Sector Incarceration is that the State facilities are not sufficient for the numbers of Inmates; more inmates and longer sentences.

I have often heard the statement "too many Black Men are in Jail". The Implication is that it is a Racial issue that they are there only because of their Race. So does that mean they committed no Crime/s?
This is why I say you need to look at the individual cases.

I already offered what I heard is one of the reasons Black Criminals get longer sentences is because they the often have extensive criminal records going back to when they were Juveniles and that has an effect on the sentence a Person gets. That is common sense to me.

Racist or not the Police go to where someone calls in a Problem or where they know there is area where there is high potential for Crime.
If there is a Predominantly Black Area and it has a History of little crime the Police are not going to spend much time in that area.

I am personally am OK with the real Cocaine and Crack having the same Sentences. But, again White or Black they are going to look at Your previous Criminal Record when the sentence You.

Another sentencing issue I have not spoken of is who is going to stand up for You in court and of course who has more Money to provide a better defense.

If I am a Person who since I was 9 or 10 years old has been involved in a Gang and has a Criminal Record who do I know that is going to stand up for Me and say that despite My problems I still have some Good Character.

I mean is some Church Official, Teacher, Coach. Social Worker or other non-family member going to come to Court and say I have some redeeming Values that could favor Me during the sentencing.
Are both My Father and Mother going to show up at the Trial to Plead for Me?

Personally speaking back before there was Crack and when the real Cocaine not prolific and what had been My best Friend (White) wanted to barrow some Money from Me to by and resell Cocaine.
I did not give Him the Money and the Drug use issue was enough to say good by to My former Friend; I have never had contact with Him since then.
I don't know if My Friend did what He planned to do or not but if He got caught and went to Jail for 15 years I would be a little sad about that but otherwise I would not care.

I sat on a Jury where of a Rape Trial where the Black Male Defendant claimed He was a Drug Dealer and could not have left the Building He was in to commit a Rape as He needed to be there to Sell.
But, that is not what I am going to say is about. His Mother testified got on the Stand and testified that He was a good Son?

If I had been using or Selling Drugs My Mother would be the first one to turn Me in; I mean even now that I am in My 60s.
If My Father found out about it He would drag His nearly 90 Year old Body down to My Place and attempt to beat the Crap out of Me (or shoot Me) and then He would turn Me in.

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Of course. But please see the info on powder vs. crack cocaine.

Higher crime rates among blacks is a fact by all indications. OTOH, the private prison industry is a bit troubling. Rehab has never been big in our land and my concern is that it's virtually off the table now.

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FWIW, when adding colors to quoted parts, it helps to make sure you don't interfere with the quote brackets, leads to weird posts when quoted.

I've seen a fair amount of drug dealing and dealers. I hauled a lot of them around when I drove cab. I've also known a number of pot growers and dealers. Not as benign a scene as hemp boosters would have it.

My concern is that poverty and prison becomes a sort of vicious circle in the black community. Drug dealing is attractive to some young blacks as it is their big chance to make serious money. No easy answers but a lot of those people in prison now will get out someday, frequently barely able to make it in the real world.

I read something once that made some sense - the person said that having offenders under our complete control was too big an opportunity to squander. Sounds a bit Machiavellian but it is pretty clear that such people are partly dysfunctional and do not have large skills for getting out of their rut.

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It's funny that you say that. The times I was on the short stick of racism was always in Compton and always by older women.

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