What'd you get money for?

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

What's wrong with moving over to the middle lane for a few seconds to let the faster traffic pass you before resuming passing cars slower than you? I do it somewhat regularly.

If lane courtesy were routinely practiced, this wouldn't happen. Left lane camping is illegal quite a few places, but so seldom enforced that many drivers don't even know it's the law.

I agree. If you are some lane other than the leftmost, it's up to them to find a way around you. However, if you are in the left lane, the proper thing to do is let them by.

I still don't get why you consider these people DB's. All they want to do is drive faster than you. I love it when someone wants to drive faster than me. That way if there's a cop, the other guy gets the cop's attention and I don't. Example: I usually keep it down to +10 when the presence of law enforcement is uncertain. One night I was on my way home from work, already going a little faster than usual at +15 in the right lane. A Corvette blew by me, so I hung back a bit, no longer concerned about law enforcement (since the Vette would be the object of any), and proceeded to pace him at +40 until he punched it. I lost sight of him and gave up about the time I reached +55.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

I routinely travel the middle lane. The problem occurs when I am PASSING traffic in the middle lane (while in the left lane) and some DB doesn't seem to understand that I'm under no obligation to go 80 mph to accomplish it. Once I complete the pass, I always return to the middle lane since I have no desire to go 80 mph.


Of course it must happen. In and around NYC, there are far too many vehicles to leave the left lane open and strictly for passing. It's the fast moving lane and it is usually full.


Again, "letting them by" works fine if the road is not too full and one can move to the center lane and continue their speed in the center lane. However, if the center lane is moving slower than their speed, they have NO OBLIGATION to move to the center lane and slow to allow the DB to proceed at +25.


Anybody who must drive at +20 or above is a DB. There is simply no justification for this behavior and with the 30 foot following distances that most of them maintain, it's downright unsafe. How much time to these DB's save in their trip? Four minutes..........maybe? What does the DB do with those four minutes?

I got $850 (settled for 1/2) when that stupid broad in a Land rover clipped the LF fender on the SD because she couldn't wait for me to merge onto the highway at a normal SD pace.

Why'd you settle for half?

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

No police report.
No witnesses.


"He said, she said".

She had an attorney.

I didn't.

You would take that to a judge?



The only piece of data that saved my ass is the fact that she admitted that she was directly behind me on the ramp. Once her attorney (provided by the insurance company) heard that tidbit, his demeanor markedly changed.

Yesterday the Mrs and i were on a local road which has four lanes. Its a suburban street with speed limit of 45. I was in the middle lane as we approached a busy intersection as at that point there was a left turn lane. We were in my vw wagon.

As we approached the intersection a person suddenly appeared from behind the left turners going the same direction as we were, turning abruptly left from the other direction.

I made a lane change turning right then left and continuing on without ever touching the brakes. Both turns were made at the limit of adhesion with the car sliding slightly. The little wagon responded with impeccable handling manners.

I was impressed.

As for my driving, it was all done with subconscious thought as there was not time to think anything through. It was all over in a second.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I watch people take unreasonable risks when passing quite frequently. Especially on two lane highways.

I have actually witnessed two serious head on collisions occur over the years by people pushing the odds on them. Three dead in one and very serious injuries in the other case.

Sure I pass as well on those roads. In a long line situation I just usually loaf along or perhaps pull off somewhere for awhile. I guess you just have to weigh the overall odds.

Nothing like getting behind a long line of traffic following a farm tractor or agriculture equipment either. Especially if there is some opposing traffic. You just hope he will turn off sooner than later.

It takes Quite something to upset me. In Pennslavania at perhaps seven in the morning on a pretty much deserted connecting three lane highway.

As I was drifting along on my way to Hershey. I came upon a situation where two opposing vehicles had taken the centre lane to both turn left at perhaps the same time. If that was the case both left turns must have been quite some distance apart. The two vehicles where still in the center lane or what was left of them.

The drivers and passengers if any must have been removed somewhat earlier. No police where present or tow trucks. Anyways the wrecks looked so bad I stopped just up the road for some time at an old railway car type restaurant still kept open.

Even though there was little business. That road had been bypassed years ago. I think you are not allowed to remove that type of restaurant from the state anymore as well.

The old couple that ran it must have kept it going for nostalgic reasons. It would have been really busy in it's day. A U or T type factory fabricated with three stainless railway type reproduction cars joined together was what I remember today.

At the time I believed both vehicles where empty but over the years I wondered if instead the accident had happened earlier and I might have been perhaps the first car passing it.

I did mention it to the officer at the large old restaurant. Perhaps a hundred seats and just three customers. The police officer said basically nothing in return and just continued eating his breakfast. In fact I left first.

If I live much longer if I mention I lived in pre cell phone times I will probably attract stares. Or that at one time I even put my finger into holes should really do it.

Some of you would have fun on the beltways around boston, where during rush hour the breakdown lane is now a travel lane or passing lane.

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It comes to what is considered safe driving ,someone who reacts defensively shouldnt be blamed but they are in most cases .If they make that descion they just have to do it safely when doing so .Its pretty cut and dry when to avoid an accident but many conditions can be looked at ,like speed .If it looked unsafe to them then they will act according to what they witnessed ,cant fault them for that reaction , motorcyclist get involved because of the speed scenrio all the time .The term unsafe lane change is what would eventually be the deciding factor if an accident was to happen in this case.If the officer at an accident scene finds fault with a driver it generally was investigated thouroughly before he makes that desicion.DEFENSIVE DRIVER "I had an accident from driver coming into my lane".OFFICER ,"Did that driver give you amply room in front of you and or in back of you? DEFENSIVE DRIVER ,"No. " Unsafe lane change . That is if he or she had stayed and maintained their lane.Unless they were taped or hit in anyway ,If they moved from their lane then got involved in another accident to avoid the one potential accident most state laws look at it as their fault .Unsafe lane change .If its a Semi truck your avoiding or certain death from a head on I certainly would head to the ditch and take my chances their ,but if its someone coming into to your lane unsafely by law maintain your lane and brake accordingly if needed.If you were to Ask me how I know ,a texting teenager found my lane oh so inviting one lovely day.

Tom should be sentenced to driving a 240D for a year so he can learn patience.

My wife would agree!

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.