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cmbdiesel · #31 09-15-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

I don't really know if Obamas apparent bungling incompetence is genuine or the hallmark of a brilliant statesman. But I do think that having the likes of Putin and Assad effectively blocking the US ability to intervene in any meaningful way is not what we should term a "good outcome". Its probably a great outcome for Assad whose regime is likely to survive especially after he "crossed the red line" and got away with it.

I still can't understand why Obama would seek to force the US's hand with a red herring about chemical weapons. As if the tens of thousands of other Syrians who've died in the conflict don't matter because they were killed "conventionally". I'm sure that's a big comfort to them.

There is no good outcome for the US in this situation. The only chance there might have been for such was for the US to have gotten involved militarily right at the beginning by aiding those moderate/secularist groups opposed to Assad with the hopes of overthrowing the regime before the likes of Iran and the Al Quaeda mob could get involved . But that was probably a non starter given the mood in the US and the complete ignorance of the region prevalent in this country.

It's far too late for that now. Listening to the BBC who has correspondents in Syria the other day I heard comments from Christian Syrians who are fighting for their lives allied to the Assad regime because the Moslem brotherhood types had pushed to within a stones throw of their city and they feared genocide.

Their opinion was far from complimentary to the US basically wondering what the hell was wrong with America that it would ally itself with AlQuaeda and the Moslem brotherhood against them.

The only thing Obama has "achieved" if that's the right word to use is a slap in the face to the prestige of the US and a guarantee to Assad that he can act with impunity as long as he pretends to squirrel away his chemical weapons which will be verified no doubt under the towering auspices of that truly great organization, the dog and pony snow of the UN. Against the collective blathering of which no democrat politician will dare act and under the protective umbrella of which the war will happily continue.

And with that being the case don't be so naive as to assume the US will be able to remain out of it for ever.

- Peter.

I think your opinion is narrow minded and petty.

We should save this post for the next time you complain about dead Americans.
BTW.. have you enlisted yet, so you can be part of the strike force?

MS Fowler · #32 09-15-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

You and others here mistakenly believe that people who ridicule the repug party are democrats....
You would be wrong.

True---Not all anti Republican comment comes from dems. Much of it comes from paleo Conservatives who hate the current "leadership" of the Repub Party and their "me too" --"we just want to be liked" attitude.
I understand that--but its a little to awkward to put the disclaimer in every post. Still a lot of the criticism of the repubs comes from the left side of the political spectrum.

MS Fowler · #33 09-15-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I think your opinion is narrow minded and petty.

We should save this post for the next time you complain about dead Americans.
BTW.. have you enlisted yet, so you can be part of the strike force?

And your opinion is naive in the extreme.

MS Fowler · #34 09-15-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

He is that smart. What we see on tv and in the paper is just the tip of the iceberg of what is happening on this Syria matter.

I will agree that what we see is the tip of the iceberg.
I am not so sure that he is that smart.

MS Fowler · #35 09-15-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by P.C.

Well thank God Bush kept his resolve and got us into Iraq.

Everyone agreed with his attack on Iraq--at that time--the dems were afraid of not being seen as in favor of the war--at least for a few weeks. Everyone knew he has WMDs--Clinton even spoke of them. Maybe everyone was mistaken, or maybe they got hidden or moved, but at that time, there was no doubt.

engatwork · #36 09-15-2013, 08:26 AM

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That's spelled ya'll

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It is all about oil in my opinion. I wish the US could be more like Sweden in reagards to the way we spread our democracy around

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t walgamuth · #37 09-15-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Everyone agreed with his attack on Iraq--at that time--the dems were afraid of not being seen as in favor of the war--at least for a few weeks. Everyone knew he has WMDs--Clinton even spoke of them. Maybe everyone was mistaken, or maybe they got hidden or moved, but at that time, there was no doubt.

I doubted.

Honus · #38 09-15-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Everyone agreed with his attack on Iraq--at that time--the dems were afraid of not being seen as in favor of the war--at least for a few weeks. Everyone knew he has WMDs--Clinton even spoke of them. Maybe everyone was mistaken, or maybe they got hidden or moved, but at that time, there was no doubt.

Crazy talk. Every word of it. My goodness. Why would you spout such nonsense?

Almost nobody, including W I suspect, believed that Saddam had sufficient WMD to be a threat to much of anyone except Saddam's own people. Even if your confidence in Bill Clinton is well founded, his statements were 5 years old when W invaded. The people on the ground were saying that the WMD weren't there. The UN inspectors, after years of being stymied by Clinton and others, were finally completing their inspections in late 2002 and early 2003. They inspected one suspected weapons site after another and found them empty. Had W not kicked the inspectors out, supporters of the invasion would have quickly seen that what most of the world was already saying. Saddam was no threat to anyone outside Iraq.

As for your suggestion that "[e]veryone agreed with his attack on Iraq," I just don't know what to say. It's true that cowardly Democrats in Congress were afraid to oppose W on the issue. It is also true that W's faithful (about half the country at the time) agreed with him, but that's far from "everyone." Your comment is astounding. The people who supported W's invasion were in a tiny but powerful minority. People at the UN went from opposition to W's invasion plan to outright disgust that he would send his Secretary of State to deliver one of the most dishonest and incompetent speeches in history.

You previously suggested that Obama has elevated Iran's stature. I'm no expert on Iran, but I am guessing that Iran's stature has more to do with the help Iran got when we removed its primary rival rather than with Obama saying "red line."

And by the way, you don't agree that use of chemical weapons crosses a red line? You see them as just another weapon a country can use?

P.C. · #39 09-15-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

True---Not all anti Republican comment comes from dems. Much of it comes from paleo Conservatives who hate the current "leadership" of the Repub Party and their "me too" --"we just want to be liked" attitude.
I understand that--but its a little to awkward to put the disclaimer in every post. Still a lot of the criticism of the repubs comes from the left side of the political spectrum.

And your opinion is naive in the extreme.

Brian Carlton · #40 09-15-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by P.C.

I think that this is another troll thread authored by an intensely partisan individual who has a penchant for affecting a veneer of impartiality.

Exactly.

Individual makes it embarrassing to be a conservative. Nothing of accuracy or substance.

P.C. · #41 09-15-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

He has no moves left. He never had any in the first place. He's a sock puppet of Presidents Assad and Putin. Funniest thing I've seen in my lifetime!

The only possible move Barry will make is a mistake of some sort in the Mediterranean, that will bring the offensive postured Russian's full force of Syrian land-based E 400 and 500 systems numering (29) at present trained on and sinking our Mediterranean Naval fleet. That, is a very likely outcome of his bumbling and fumbling......World War III.

It'll be the ultimate 'punking of Barry.' Russian technicians are at the buttons in Syria - and they're ready to roll. If Barry-the-Musbro-Kenyan thinks Putin is kidding? Try him.

Is this the face of politically conservative philosophy on this forum? How many on here want to get behind this guy?

t walgamuth · #42 09-15-2013, 01:04 PM

Too bad our anti Troll rule is not enforced.

Course we do have an ignore button and a few especially irrational, irritating, illogical, people have earned a place on my short list.

MS Fowler · #43 09-15-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

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And by the way, you don't agree that use of chemical weapons crosses a red line? You see them as just another weapon a country can use?

My consistent view on the "red line" from the first has been--Where is the US defined as the one who enforces violations of this, or any, red line? Although the people who die from conventional weapons are just as dead as those who die from chemical ones, I guess there is some difference. But even granting that, and granting that "the world" made chemical weapons illegal--still where is the US authorized as the enforcer?

MS Fowler · #44 09-15-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Too bad our anti Troll rule is not enforced.

Course we do have an ignore button and a few especially irrational, irritating, illogical, people have earned a place on my short list.

Funny---I have never put anyone on the ignore list. I want to read opposing thoughts.
I guess you can only handle the propaganda you agree with.