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cmac2012 · #1 10-10-2013, 02:15 AM

Appears as though a battle may be brewing between the Wall St. and Tea Party wings of the Republican Party.

Koch brothers claim no involvement in efforts to defund healthcare reforms | World news | theguardian.com

Skid Row Joe · #2 10-10-2013, 02:17 AM

Hmmmm..mm

cmac2012 · #3 10-10-2013, 02:18 AM

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Hmmmm..mm

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ruchase · #4 10-10-2013, 02:58 AM

The Kock bros are real pricks.

cmac2012 · #5 10-10-2013, 03:09 AM

Well uhhh, I'm not wild about them frequently but they may be the voice of reason at this time, and for the audience that needs reaching.

aklim · #6 10-10-2013, 11:52 AM

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Well uhhh, I'm not wild about them frequently but they may be the voice of reason at this time, and for the audience that needs reaching.

Voice of reason as in "they support my reasonable position"? Seriously? Depending on the industry, they might or might not have an ax to grind. If I got no dog in this fight, WGAS? If I think I will come out ahead, I'll find you a reason to support it. If not, I also have a reason to oppose it. All it means is "This is the cheapest solution in my mind" and nothing to do with reason or care for you unless you are deluded. The Koch Brothers, like anyone, cares for THEMSELVES.

pawoSD · #7 10-10-2013, 08:17 AM

They are only a voice at all when its to broadcast things in their own greedy interest.

Botnst · #8 10-10-2013, 09:44 AM

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They are only a voice at all when its to broadcast things in their own greedy interest.

Like PBS' "NOVA"?

Air&Road · #9 10-10-2013, 10:12 AM

I hope this doesn't surprise anyone. As long as the us govt is handing out borrowed money like crazy and with such a huge portion disappearing due to corruption, OF COURSE the Kochs are against any group who wants to get spending to a responsible level. Duh.

aklim · #10 10-10-2013, 11:59 AM

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I hope this doesn't surprise anyone. As long as the us govt is handing out borrowed money like crazy and with such a huge portion disappearing due to corruption, OF COURSE the Kochs are against any group who wants to get spending to a responsible level. Duh.

Depending on which way benefits them the most, of course. People are going to be people. What I can't figure out is why people think that pretty speeches mean the person believes what they are saying. As a rule, the better a person sounds, the more eloquent and persuasive you sound, the more I distrust you. In business, I avoid them if possible. In my personal life, I avoid them altogether. It comes back to the "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" thing. Or as my favorite Star Trek DS9 quote goes "48th Rule of Acquisition: The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife".

sloride · #11 10-10-2013, 12:07 PM

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I hope this doesn't surprise anyone. As long as the us govt is handing out borrowed money like crazy and with such a huge portion disappearing due to corruption, OF COURSE the Kochs are against any group who wants to get spending to a responsible level. Duh.

That is why W. Buffet is for this administration, and would benefit even more if our spending budget went from three and a half trillion to six trillion with or without any increase in revenue. Their hands are in so many industries that the more spending that happens the better for them.

aklim · #12 10-10-2013, 12:16 PM

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That is why W. Buffet is for this administration, and would benefit even more if our spending budget went from three and a half trillion to six trillion with or without any increase in revenue. Their hands are in so many industries that the more spending that happens the better for them.

Why do we care what Buffet is for or against? Makes no sense to me. This is like me saying "I won a race yesterday with this camshaft. Therefore, you also need this in your car.". Great for you. However, whether your needs for your race car is similar to my street car is a different story. It is easy for you to advocate spending my money. All you have told me is "I benefit from this action so I an using my influence to get you to think this way.". If Tiger Woods wants to tell me off the record that he has great luck with Brand X clubs, I might listen. OTOH, WTF does he know about Buick or Tag Heuer watches besides the fact he gets a check from them?

kerry · #13 10-10-2013, 08:33 AM

I wouldn't call them the voice of reason. They've been supporting unreason for a long time. They are the voice of economic reason--they're own economic reason.

cmac2012 · #14 10-10-2013, 03:08 PM

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I wouldn't call them the voice of reason. They've been supporting unreason for a long time. They are the voice of economic reason--they're own economic reason.

I don't think the Koch Bros. have been bitten by some radioactive spider that bestows a sagacious sort of wisdom instead of Spideman powers. In this case, if interest rates for the whole country go up, they'll lose bigtime so their interests briefly coincide with mine to some degree. Not what I expected . . .

Honus · #15 10-10-2013, 03:18 PM

I don't know what to make of the Koch brothers' bailing on the GOP strategy. My guess is for all their *****ing, the economy is treating them just fine, thank you very much. The funnier defections were from Freedom Works and Heritage Action. It looks to me as if they bailed, despite having been among the strategy's cheerleaders, for two reasons: (1) their big-money donors asked, "WTF?" and (2) they are unprincipled jerks who play their followers and supporters for the suckers they are.