Clergy - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

martureo · #1 04-01-2014, 12:54 AM

Okay, so now I'm one of them. I figured Kerry and a few others might be interested.

I've been a licensed minister for some time now, but as of tonight (or last night as this is the wee hours of the morning) I crossed over from being laity to clergy.

And no, I'm still not wearing a dog collar. Although I have thought about wearing one to reunions or just for the fun of it (and acting oblivious to the fact that I haven't always worn one). In fact next time I buy parts from someone, I should show up that way.

cmac2012 · #2 04-01-2014, 01:39 AM

*EDIT* Oh great. Captain of industry and civility, Skid Row Joe, deleted his post, originally #2 and since I didn't quote it, my post is sitting here looking like I'm criticizing martureo, telling him 'thanks for sharing.' Although maybe Joe deleted it out of a uncommon moment of good sense, as he had dumped on the OP, saying, approx., that he trusts clergy less than anyone else in the world. *END of EDIT*

Thanks for sharing there.

I go by the vibe. Some clergy I have felt very good about, others, not so much. Just as with police officers, some people who want the position really shouldn't have it. But there are good cops.

Skid Row Joe · #3 04-01-2014, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Thanks for sharing there.

I go by the vibe. Some clergy I have felt very good about, others, not so much. Just as with police officers, some people who want the position really shouldn't have it. But there are good cops.

What is the relationship you have established between clergy and police officers, that would cause you to compare them here? I see none.

Jim B. · #4 04-01-2014, 02:29 AM

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What is the relationship you have established between clergy and police officers, that would cause you to compare them here? I see none.

It's his opinion that some cops and some clergy are good ones, and others are bad ones.

That's all. He is not COMPARING cops *TO* clergy though...

That's what I think he's saying. (And I have known cmac for many years personally so I doubt I am wrong here).

Skid Row Joe · #5 04-01-2014, 03:10 AM

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It's his opinion that some cops and some clergy are good ones, and others are bad ones.

That's all. He is not COMPARING cops *TO* clergy though...

That's what I think he's saying. (And I have known cmac for many years personally so I doubt I am wrong here).

He chose a poor example. I can't think of even one other profession, so to speak, that it could be compared to beyond the obvious. In short, it's a waste of time trying to do it. Clergy, is it's whole own set. There is nothing like it.

Mr.Kenny · #6 04-01-2014, 08:53 AM

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I go by the vibe. Some clergy I have felt very good about, others, not so much. Just as with police officers, some people who want the position really shouldn't have it. But there are good cops.

Hey, Bullies get licensed everywhere in all sorts positions in order to put protective seal of legitimacy to their obsession .... or perversion.

Mölyapina · #7 04-01-2014, 09:15 AM

That's great! What church will you be working at? Or do you not want to say that so as to keep your online life "private"?

What sort of church is it?

Shertex is a minister at a Presbyterian church in RI; he's the only other minister on here that I can think of.

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Congratulations Martureo!

Keep us posted on whether the collar works on getting better prices too!

I highly doubt that he could get any higher a discount than the one that he already gets for his good looks.

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Seriously though I bet my parts counter guys would flip. They usually see me in oil stained clothing. Probably would think I was attending a costume party.

And they already give me wholesale because I lookup the part numbers for them. (hint: form a good relationship)

I've done that before in my suit & bowtie. The Autozone guys were curious what the heck was going on.

I've also picked up parts from JB3 like that. he didn't say anything, but mentioned afterward on the forum that he went & told his wife that someone was by to pick up parts in a white shirt and tie; she commented that that meant that he could dress better than he does, or something like that

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martureo · #8 04-01-2014, 10:02 AM

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That's great! What church will you be working at? Or do you not want to say that so as to keep your online life "private"?

What sort of church is it?

I keep my overt online life semi-ambiguous, so if you PM me I'll give you the full details. I just don't to be under the eye of google with the personal details.

I'm part of the Church of the Nazarene.

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Shertex is a minister at a Presbyterian church in RI; he's the only other minister on here that I can think of.

Cool, didn't know that.

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I highly doubt that he could get any higher a discount than the one that he already gets for his good looks.

I've done that before in my suit & bowtie. The Autozone guys were curious what the heck was going on.

I've also picked up parts from JB3 like that. he didn't say anything, but mentioned afterward on the forum that he went & told his wife that someone was by to pick up parts in a white shirt and tie; she commented that that meant that he could dress better than he does, or something like that

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I'm really thinking I should do that now. Black shirt, white collar. Heck I'll even find myself a pectoral cross (a simple silver priestly one, not the $7k bishops cross

).

cmac2012 · #9 04-01-2014, 02:28 AM

It's not hard. Abuse of power. Some cops want to lord it over people, to bully people, and to make time with cute girls they stop for citations. I knew a rather fetching lady who went out with a cop under such circumstances, trivia note.

The clergy who should not be clergy, for starters, are the pervs who use the collar as a cover to get close to people, to gain their confidence, to act as though they are channeling God's will, etc. That is, those who abuse power. The common theme is people wanting the position for the wrong reasons. And, in both professions, some or more likely many want the position for the right reasons.

I really had to explain all of this?

Jim B. · #10 04-01-2014, 02:38 AM

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It's not hard. Abuse of power. Some cops want to lord it over people, to bully people, and to make time with cute girls they stop for citations. I knew a rather fetching lady who went out with a cop under such circumstances, trivia note.

The clergy who should not be clergy, for starters, are the pervs who use the collar as a cover to get close to people, to gain their confidence, to act as though they are channeling God's will, etc. That is, those who abuse power. The common theme is people wanting the position for the wrong reasons. And, in both professions, some or more likely many want the position for the right reasons.

I really had to explain all of this?

I don't think it's abuse of power to wear a clergyman's collar when going in to buy parts at the Mercedes-Benz diller.

Do *YOU*?

Skid Row Joe · #11 04-01-2014, 03:05 AM

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It's not hard. Abuse of power. Some cops want to lord it over people, to bully people, and to make time with cute girls they stop for citations. I knew a rather fetching lady who went out with a cop under such circumstances, trivia note.

The clergy who should not be clergy, for starters, are the pervs who use the collar as a cover to get close to people, to gain their confidence, to act as though they are channeling God's will, etc. That is, those who abuse power. The common theme is people wanting the position for the wrong reasons. And, in both professions, some or more likely many want the position for the right reasons.

I really had to explain all of this?

I'm glad you asked if you had to explain this - because you did not. I didn't need the obvious explained to me. We all know the obvious similarities.

The fact is (beyond the obvious) there is no connection between the missions of the two professions, as it were.

Botnst · #12 04-01-2014, 08:05 AM

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I'm glad you asked if you had to explain this - because you did not. I didn't need the obvious explained to me. We all know the obvious similarities.

The fact is (beyond the obvious) there is no connection between the missions of the two professions, as it were.

I knew a clergyman who was a police chaplain and a reserve policeman. As clergy he did ride-alongs and talked to the patrolman and made himself useful around human tragedy as requested by on-scene. I would say he represented an unusual confluence of LEO and clergy. The police chief was sad to see him go when he got called to another church. Chief recruited a new chaplain asap.

The first guy changed the chaplain position from non-existent to a necessity just by showing up and doing what he believed God told him to do.

Skid Row Joe · #13 04-01-2014, 12:29 PM

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Nonsense of course there is. In your country and mine and the country in which I live there is a complex relationship between Christianity and law. If you ever have to go to court you are usually asked to put your hand on the bible and swear that you are about to tell the truth. You may opt not to do so or you may opt to choose a different way of ascertaining that you are about to tell the truth - but you should be aware that you are likely to be judged under Christian values. This is just one example of many.

Nonsense. If the occult happens to coincide with law, it is only that. A coincidence. The Holy Bible swearing in is more nonsense.

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I knew a clergyman who was a police chaplain and a reserve policeman. As clergy he did ride-alongs and talked to the patrolman and made himself useful around human tragedy as requested by on-scene. I would say he represented an unusual confluence of LEO and clergy. The police chief was sad to see him go when he got called to another church. Chief recruited a new chaplain asap.

The first guy changed the chaplain position from non-existent to a necessity just by showing up and doing what he believed God told him to do.

If he was being paid, sounds to me like the PD needed a psychologist, more than a clergyman, IMO.

Botnst · #14 04-01-2014, 12:41 PM

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Nonsense. If the occult happens to coincide with law, it is only that. A coincidence. The Holy Bible swearing in is more nonsense.

If he was being paid, sounds to me like the PD needed a psychologist, more than a clergyman, IMO.

He had an MS in pstchology/social work before getting ordained so I expect he wore the hat appropriate for the moment. It was a small town PD. The clergy guy and the chief drank morning coffee at the same small town cafe and became friends. It was unpaid, like being a reserve cop. That was 25 years ago so I don't know what the current status is. I left 20 years ago.

I know another guy who had his MSc-SW and worked in a medium security prison for a couple of decades and then he got himself ordained.

I think Cmb has a good point about the confluence of LE and clergy. The mission is pretty similar in some respects.

cmac2012 · #15 04-01-2014, 03:24 AM

GOOD LORD. Would you get a hobby or something and stop pretending like there is any point in discussing anything with you?!?

You posted second originally, saying you trust clergy less than anyone else in the world. I responded that I go by the specific clergyman and added that, as with cops, some want the position for the wrong reason, but that didn't mean all cops were bad, and left out the obvious connection, and not all clergyman are not to be trusted. No need to get all magnifying glass analytical about the connection between cops and clergy, it was OBVIOUS what I was saying and JimB got the gist of it.

Now here we are, with a page full of crap, poorly responding to martureo's OP and none of it makes sense cause you weaseled out of your first post. What would Warren Buffett say about that?