Let me see, the Commander in Chief is who? As Tx indicated the CIC could initiate such security measures if he chose to. Lord knows he has issued every other autonomous order under the sun. He has a pen and a phone, remember?

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No, but he is the super hero to too many in this country. If he had used his pen and phone at the right time, he could have allowed the guys on post at fort hood to have a fighting chance. Of course his disdain for the military got in his way.

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So, what are the generals for then?
Are they merely lap dogs to the CINC??
I imagine them to be a pretty smart and capable group of people, who have likely examined plenty of different options since the last shooting...
Maybe you have a different opinion of them.

I think you just like to look for ways to bash Obama.
Can't imagine the field day you would have if Obama started making rules for the military in the manner you suggest....

And...he sure has used the special abilities of the military an awful lot for a guy who holds them in disdain....

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Yes, from what I've seen many of the generals are indeed politicians just like congressmen. The generals that speak up and want to do the right thing get canned by Obama like general Ham who was trying to get help to Benghazi and was told to stand down. Most of the real generals that were in place before the new CIC have moved on or have been moved on.

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I knew Benghazi had something to do with it. I think you are the only one that thinks President Obama can be the solution for everything.

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In our system, pretty much. As President Truman proved, and General Washington determined before him, the civilian leadership commands the military and not vice versa.

If the generals (admirals) disagree with civilian leadership such that they cannot in good conscience follow orders, then they can resign. No other choice is open to them.

This is exactly why Washington was able to convince his subordinates not to march on Philadelphia for the pay they were justly owed and why that over-inflated gasbag MacArthur resigned after challenging Mr. Truman.

As an aside, if you ever hear of a general undermining the civilian leadership, even if you agree with the general, side with the civilian lest you invite a solution worse than the problem.

From your post it appeared you wanted the soldiers armed all the time, how otherwise would arming them have prevented this tragedy?

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You need to read more carefully Tom. I made it clear that it was proposed that experienced officers and senior NCOs could be on a duty roster such that when it is their turn, they would draw arms and ammo to be armed as they go about their on post business. If people would have been armed and scattered around the post there could have been armed soldiers in the vicinity of the guy, with the means to stop him before more people were hurt or killed. WHY is this difficult to understand?

The only time that all troops are armed WITH ammo is when issued same in a combat theater of operation.

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I certainly do NOT think that he can be the solution for everything. If he had leadership experience and capability, however, he could certainly be a positive influence. As Truman said, but Obama does not believe, "the buck stops here."

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Naa, it was Bushes fault.

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So, in essence, what you suggest is upping the amount of armed people on the base...?
Is that not currently an available option, if the post/base commander sees fit?
There are already armed MP's and civilian guards on every installation, is the number of them somehow regulated?

I am not disagreeing with your suggestion, merely offering the view that it is not the fault of CINC.

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I am not certain that the base or post commander now days could put in place a policy where key non-security service members would be armed on a rotating basis as a sort of quick reaction force. It might have to go to a higher command for an ok of that on a non-temporary basis. Regardless, it could be affected within each service or by a DOD wide policy. Wouldn't have to come from the CINC, but he could endorse it or command DOD through the JCS to rescind it.

Oh, thanks, I need to be more careful what I say....like you are.

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GOOD GRIEF! That's what I've been saying. All the old man has to do is issue a duty roster that authorizes key individuals to draw and carry side arms when they come on post for work.

We're talking about an Army post for gosh sakes! There are people trained and qualified to carry and use weopons. The MP's and other post security can't be everywhere. Having some higher level, responsibile personnel armed, puts people around everywhere who have a chance of defending in such a situation with something more than their pocket knife in their hand.

Given the fact that most Generals today are politicians that are working toward another star, most of them don't want to do anything politically incorrect and initiate such a simple step on their own. If the POTUS OTOH told them to do something about it, they have everything in place to simply tell their Exec to get someone to put together such a duty roster.

WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND?

And yes, from where I sit it IS the fault of the CIC. If he were a competent leader, after the first massacre at Fort Hood, he would have told one of his underlings to talk to the Post Commander and do something to increase security. 30 seconds of his time would do it, and a REAL leader would have instinctively done that out of the natural concern for his people that a REAL leader naturally possesses.

For those of you unaware, leadership is supposed to come from the TOP DOWN, not the BOTTOM UP.

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