Crime rates (by the charts) are at mid to late 1960s levels again. Secondly, do the charts account for differences in reporting from then to now?

Also, it depends who you were. I bet that it was no fun growing up as a Black in certain parts of the US in that period, where you could be disappeared if you tried to vote, or said the wrong thing to a White lady.

I had always been only speaking of My own time period. Otherwise you would can go back to Plymoth Rock and trying to analyze all the periods inbetween.

For My Father and even His Girl Friend the Good Old days were ones of Poverty and suffering.

And, in some respects My Father was more fortunate then many becaue My Grandfater had a steady job. However there was 6 Kids in the Family and a lot of Family caused problems that I will not go into.

His Girl Friend was raised on a Farm wich was tough enough and got extremely tough when Her Father Died. There was also a bunch of Siblings in that Family also.

But, that was a hard time for most of the Nation.

Diesel911: "1950s-mid 1960s Where The Old Days Really Better?"
 

Yes. Absolutely, they were.

I lived through them and observed them firsthand.

So the crime charts are irrelevant and you really believe there is less crime now then in the 1950s and 1960s???

What part of the Crime Charts has to do with who you were? When I say that the General Society was safer that is exactly what I mean. In general is sort of like saying an average. That means not extreme examples.

I don't think Crime was under reported in the Past because there was less of it to report. That would make the figures easier to deal with.
The same with the Prison expense chart. Although part of that could be due to inflation.

But, as an aside despite the unfair treatment I am just betting the Crime rate was lower even in Black Neighborhoods back then now.

In a previous thread I also posted some Crime Charts and what I found out in the Crime chars was that in the 1980s the High Murder rate was High because Blacks were killing other Blacks. And, that is a time period way after the type persecution the Police did in the 1950s and early 1960s.

So the New World brought relief from persecution just because someone was Black but they are not as safe as the were in the past.

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."
Note that also ingeneral that Hespanic or Latainos are considered Causasian. I am guessing they are lumped into the White Murder Rate.

This was the first 3 Paragraphs of the Thread: "Multiple times in the Forum I have said that that the Old days when I was growing up were better and have further stated that People these days don’t know that because the did not grow up then.

I am being told by others that it is just My perception that is wrong that I am selectively focusing on only the good things.

For Me the Old days is about the 1950s into the Mid 1960s. In the Mid 1960s things started to change. To me this corresponded with Social agitation and Drug use; but, the causes are not what this thread is about."

It is not My contention the every time period in our past was better than now. As an example look at the Civl War peroid.

I don't remember.
It's probably a good thing.

For those who believe that the government should solve our problems and we should have no responsibility for our own lives, I'm sure that today fulfills their wishes and desires much better than the fifties and sixties when we took care of ourselves and each other with minimal government involvement.

in this link from your OP, there is another chart, which I think pertains to the above bolded red comments-

Does Porn Prevent Rape?

This data is from the survey to try and find unreported crime. Now it only goes back to the 70s, not the period you are referencing, but it tells quite a different story-

excerpt-


pertaining to your above comments about what part do the crime charts have to do with who you were, if you were a woman before the women's liberation movement, the second chart from the same source article shows a lot more crime probably happened that was not reported.

Basically the short answer is you probably didn't report a rape, because men would be judging other men, and your concerns would be minimized.

I agree, the 50s-60s were a great time if you were a white middle class male, but thats just a small piece of the general population.

In 1955, if a white gang beat you bloody and you were black, you think the white police would care? In 1955 if you were a young woman in a predominately male college and were brutally raped, how many examples have we seen where the victim is herself blamed for the temptation they bring to BE raped by an incredibly male biased administration? Just look at the India examples right now. How many women just didn't report these incidents and tried to forget it? The call survey indicates that at least in the 70s, quite a few did just that.

These surveys indicate quite a bit more was going on under the surface than reported, and this is exactly why the civil rights movement and womens lib movement happened. Your reliance on official reported crime only to indicate everything was sunshine and roses at the time is I think a flawed approach.

The good old days:

~Thalidomide babies

~The Cuban Missile Crisis

~John F. Kennedy getting his head shot off.

~Kitty Genovese murdered in NYC, while virtually surrounded by apathetic neighbors

~Murder of civil rights workers in Mississippi in 1964

~The escalation of U.S. involvement in the war in Vietnam

~Watts race riots

~Bobby Kennedy getting his head shot off

~The Manson Family Murders

Because everything was just peachy back then.

Yep, the smaller government of the day certainly did make it "peachy."

Government intrusion then was just as bad as it is now. The people I knew just ignored it.

Things have changed in the oil industry and all for the better. I can remember when pipeline right-of-ways doubled as toxic waste dumps and this was totally legal. Then the government stepped in and the industry started its' long wailing of 'too much government intrusion'.

Visit the Elk Hills oil fields in California for a taste of the good old days when there was less government intrusion. Then visit the oil fields in the Midland, Texas area to see what a government regulated oil field looks like. The difference is night and day. A lot of what the EPA started doing they learned from the Texas Railroad Commission when it came to running an oil field.

I can remember how dangerous the oil field was in the days before OSHA. I hope we never go back to those days when life was cheap and safety was something you only did at school crosswalks.

Ah yes the good old days of polio, DDT and segregation. Don't we all wish we could go back to those days?
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Unless you were targeted by Joseph McCarthy. Im sure people dragged in by the thought police had plenty to say about their "smaller" governments lack of intrusion into thier personal affairs.

Glad you had a better time than others.