Was it a leisurely stroll, filled with meditation and musing?

Wow, I think that is the most words I've ever seen Bot write.

From an economic perspective, there were recessions in 1945, 1948-49, 1953-54, 1958-59, and 1960-61. Put me in the group that finds the old days perhaps not so good as some recall.

I lost control.

wait, what . . . you mean it wasn't as good for guys like Don Draper back then?

Ir you were a woman who wanted ready access to contraception or an abortion, things weren't so rosy back then.

I don't find government controls intrusive. If you cannot understand how to deal with government agencies then I guess I have a competitive advantage on you.

And fewer frivolous lawsuits? Who decides if a lawsuit is frivolous? You should have seen some of the stuff we were sued for during the 60's. Things are about the same now despite the Republicans best efforts to take this remedy away from people.

Do you want to avoid lawsuits in general? Then behave in a honest manner and don't give anyone a reason to sue you. If you are intent on cheating someone then they have a remedy and it is called a lawsuit. To them it is not frivolous; it is justice.

To Me it is worse than that. Many People these days are more worried about if the can carry X amount of Drugs or the decriminalization of said Drugs than then are about the general safety and of the Community. They are mostly focused on what is important to themselves and don’t care about much else.

These same People are the ones that seem Hyper Paranoid about the Rights and the rights of Crimminals.

Ask People who have Grade School Children if they feel it is safe for the Kids to walk to School. I am betting 50% or more are going to say it is not safe for them to walk to School unless the School is very close by.

Where I went to Grade School if you did not live far enough away that the School Deemed you could ride on the Bus you walked. The exception was a handful of Parents who drove their Kids to School.

I agree that the Charts I posted represent only reported Crimes. But, I also think that that there are also unreported Crimes right now that are not going to get on a Chart.
Then there is the obvious question if and incident was unreported was there really a crime against the Victim.

As an example I could be walking down the Street and shove someone out of My way and have that start a Fight.
If you come to My House and ask Me if I have ever been a Crime Victim I could say that I was assaulted but did not report it. But, that is not what really happend because I was the one who assulted someone by shoving the out of the way.

I have lived in My House for close to 40 Years and about 30 of those years no one was Home during the Day. I was Burglarized at least 2 times. I only reported 2 of them as the 2nd time the Police came out they told Me to go from House to House to ask My Neighbors if the saw anything. The Policed had no interest in investigation and none of the stuff was insured so I did not need a Police report so I stopped reporting the Burgleries.

So there is 3 Burglaries that are not going to appear on the more modern charts.
That means the Modern Charts are also under reported.
The main thing is that Charts show a trend. The trend is that in the 1050s and 1960s there was less reported Crime then now.

@ D911 " in the 1050s and 1960s there was less reported Crime then now. "

That's ALL the charts show; anything else is inference.

Then there is this factor to consider:
"Does Increased Abortion Lead to Lower Crime?
‎1972 Rockefeller Commission on ... - ‎Donohue and Levitt study - Harvard University
by RJ BARRO - ‎1999 - ‎
http://scholar.harvard.edu/barro/files/99_0927_crimerate_bw.pdf

Yes, those are the extremes but how safe was the Public in General compared to now. And, I was only speaking in General not in extremes.

There is Places in larges Cities that seem like they have never been safe. I read some comment from the 1800 where the Law dared not go into certain areas because People would throw heavy objects down on them from the Roofs.

The Charts during the time Period I focused on show that there was less Crime when I was a Kid and as I entered Adult Hood Crime was rising on up into the 1980s.

Also the Manson Family was in the 1970s that is part of the upward trend of Crime I was speaking of.

I remember sitting on the Roof of Our Hose and watching the Glow from the Fires during the Watts Riots. Also the Watts Riot happens right in the Mid 60s; 1965 and that is around the area where Crime starts to rise on the Charts.

Note that even with the various Riots and Demonstrations in the 1960s Crime was still less then it is now.

I joined the Army during the last few Years of the Vietnam War so that shows you where my Sympathies were and still are. That being said I was extremely fortunate not to be sent to Vietnam.
From My own perspective we were fighting a War against the spread of Communism in places like Korea and Vietnam because we could not confront the Soviet Union directly with out essentially destroying the Planet.

But, in the end we defeated the Soviet Union and the destruction of the Planet is way less likely now.
Now we get to sit by while we watch the various fources of capitalism slowly destroy the Planet; not a dramatic.

Concerning the Manson Family. I have actually seen Leslie Van Houghton from afar in the visitors Room at the Women’s Correctional Facility in Fonterra CA.
I did not realize it was Her until they ran a News Story on Her trying to get Parole. I saw Her again after the News Show from a cross the Room at Fonterra and it was definitely Her.

It's much more a factor of location than time. There are parts of every major city that are as dangerous now as they were 50 years ago. Likewise there are places that are as safe now as they were 50 years ago.

There is no proof that crime has become less or more, only that more or less crimes are reported.

In My past I think if People thought the Government was investigating Criminals they did not care what the Government did to them or how the Government did it as long as the Government was trying to prosecute them.
Where the Government ran afoul was intruding on Peoples Political views and Actions. Likely food for a different thread.

Not to condone the Big Oils methods but if it was not illegal for them to do that back then or not?
Long Beach and the small City next to it Sigal Hill have a long History of Oil Production and there is 4 Oil Refineries with in 5 Miles of My House.
I suppose I could have missed it or it was hushed up but I don't recall any Major issues locally.

The Manson Family murdered seven people in two days in August of 1969.

Polio Vaccines. When I was a Baby I was saved from death twice by Penicillin.


The Toxic stuff issue was barely an issue back then. I still think the indoor Enamel Paint was better then the newer Paints even if it was toxic.
Even with segregation what was life like for the rest of the Country compared to know.

This is an unfounded opinion but People like My Father grew up in an enviornment of a National Depression and have any Job toxic or not was considered a good thing.

After WWII People were just happy to have survived and be working but there Employers’ still had the Psychological control of them so Toxic stuff that was going to Kill someone 40 years later was not worried about.

In the late 1960s and 1970s when I worked Industrial Jobs Employers would give People Safety Equipment. If it was uncomrotable to wear People would not wear it and Employers did not feel obligated to discharge Empolyess for not wearing Safety Gear.
Employers did not take an interest untill the Employees started to Sue them.

You could say if you are Black it is better but go back and look at the Black on Black Murder Rate and the percentage of Blacks murdered.

Black on black violence is directly linked to whites buying their product: drugs. If whites would compete with blacks for the street market we would see more white on black violence. Whites are their customers, it would be stupid to kill of their clients. There is a lot of black on latino violence, both compete for the same drug market. You should be able to see this first hand living in Long Beach and close to Compton.

And to be honest, I think the fifties was a ****ty time. The good thing about the fifties and sixties was that people were starting to feel more free, even being at the height of the cold war and fear for nuclear annihilation, there was hope for better times.