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Old 04-16-2014, 09:46 PM
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I thought I already did.

I do NOT consider anyone who disagrees with me to be a druggie. It does seem that there are a lot of them here. In fact IIRC you even admitted to it at one point. I have no doubt that there are many here and elsewhere that disagree with me that are not druggies.

Did you get it this time?
CMB pretty much covered it....

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Hmm, you don't post under my username? what have you done in this thread?


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There's no proof that it "ruins lives" from the study. For all we know, the altered brain structure existed before use commenced. The study doesn't speak to behavior either, only to morphology.

I know quite a few highly functioning, driven professionals that enjoy a joint a few times a week.
I am not getting the ruins lives part from the study. Some people do indeed react differently than others. When someone does their first hit, they have no way of knowing where it will lead. It might very well lead to occasional use for fun with minimal ill effects, OR it might have a much worse negative effect. No way they can no where it will lead for them.
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I am not getting the ruins lives part from the study. Some people do indeed react differently than others. When someone does their first hit, they have no way of knowing where it will lead. It might very well lead to occasional use for fun with minimal ill effects, OR it might have a much worse negative effect. No way they can no where it will lead for them.
What about the % of people whose lives it might improve, say by reducing anxiety enough for them to spend time working hard and playing hard, rather than stressing out about minor junk?
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:51 PM
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BTW you know NOTHING about whether or not I have mood swings. I tried to post something that I found interesting, but when people see that it's me posting it, the whole thing turns into something like this. I have been trying to stay with car threads, to stay out of crap like this. I thought I could start this thread without it sliding into the ditch, but I was wrong.

Oddly, your somewhat friendly remark in the Lotus thread made me feel better about things around here, but it wasn't the first time I've ever been wrong. Come to think of it your response there vs. Your responses in this thread are seen by me as mood swings.

I really find it impossible to understand how anyone can judge someone's mood without hearing the tone of their voice or seeing the expressions on their face.
OK...sorry about the mood swings comment.

What I said in the Lotus thread was sincere, your contributions here are appreciated by many.

I find that many people try to make themselves look better by making others look worse. The tendency shows itself often with abusive and derogatory terminology. It is rampant in our society, and I'm pretty well fed up with it.
So, if I got a little harsh on ya, try to understand that you became the proxy for all the db's who routinely behave in such a manner.

Apologies if I misinterpreted your remarks.
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I'd say the two recent cases of hallucinations related to ingesting marijuana which resulted in deaths are more worrying than the original linked study.

The 13 minute police response time is even more concerning. Their house is about half a mile from the precinct.
I think they are both concerning. Yes, the cops should have put down their donuts and gone there pronto, but if the trend that you seem to suspect turns out to be true, that is also concerning. Thanks for pointing it out.
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OK...sorry about the mood swings comment.

What I said in the Lotus thread was sincere, your contributions here are appreciated by many.

I find that many people try to make themselves look better by making others look worse. The tendency shows itself often with abusive and derogatory terminology. It is rampant in our society, and I'm pretty well fed up with it.
So, if I got a little harsh on ya, try to understand that you became the proxy for all the db's who routinely behave in such a manner.

Apologies if I misinterpreted your remarks.
Apology accepted. I TRULY had forgotten the lack of political correctness of the term. I'll try to remember to use the "user" term. I would rather talk about a mid engine sports car than this crap anyway.

I will try to say this without stirring the pot. If people will try to read it in that context I MIGHT be able to get across the point:

I see drug use of any kind as something not good for people. In spite of how some people view me, I LOVE people of all kinds and wish the very best for everyone. I believe, right or wrong, that drugs are one of the things that is not good for people. Others here feel that drugs are good for people, so they feel that someone not wanting drugs to be part of society is a threat to society.

It's simply a difference of opinion, but I think that all, or certainly most all of us want what's best for people, and that is admirable, trying to do something we think is good. We are all wanting good for our fellow man, but just differ on what we think is good.
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:20 PM
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You're wrong. A misunderstanding. Druggies are druggies. Someone is not a druggie just because they disagree with me.

Very interesting how people intentionally misrepresent me. Just trying to get me riled I suppose.

You do realize we can search your previous post right?

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David,

You are seriously missing the point. Those comments were all in the context of drug use. The accusation I refuted was that any time anyone disagreed with me on anything, I called them the term that sets off CMB. THAT is not true. If I disagree with you on a completely different subject, I don't call you the d word.
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Horse crap. You called us drug users in post 11 before CMB even said anything. Your statements speak for them selves.
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Anyone who tries to make a distinction between alcohol and any other drug addiction is deluding themselves. Some people have a predilection to addiction. It's only a matter of how harmful the substance is they choose and how obsessed with the addiction they are. Functional addicts exist at all levels of society, it's the dysfunctional addicts you hear about.
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Horse crap. You called us drug users in post 11 before CMB even said anything. Your statements speak for them selves.
Post number 11? So now I'm responsible for what JB3 says?
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:43 AM
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Anyone who tries to make a distinction between alcohol and any other drug addiction is deluding themselves. Some people have a predilection to addiction. It's only a matter of how harmful the substance is they choose and how obsessed with the addiction they are. Functional addicts exist at all levels of society, it's the dysfunctional addicts you hear about.
Accurate point.

I might also point out that not everybody's system can handle the same things.
There may well be people that have seriously adverse reactions to marijuana.
Some people have adverse reactions to peanuts.

That does not mean those items should be illegal.
But peanut allergies don't sell papers....

The stories coming out of Colorado appear to be a mixture of sensationalism and assumption mixed with likely overindulgence of a newly legalized thing.
The people that don't want weed legal will point the finger at it as the root cause for any behavior they don't like where weed is in evidence, regardless of the veracity of that claim.
I wonder if they will release the toxicology report from the guy who shot his wife...
In time people will cease to overuse when the novelty wears off, and the furor over the law will die down. Then the stories will dry up.

Wonder how many deaths in the time frame of these pot-issues can be directly linked to alcohol...
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I smoked weed pretty regularly and heavily for 4-5 years. Damn right it turned my brain to mush. I mean, that's the point. Like drinking whisky.

Yet despite all the abuse I have heaped on my brain and body I have survived. I haven't brutalized anybody. I have no debts (well, next month anyway, I'll pay-off the mortgage).

Had I not smoked weed I probably would have invented a cure for cancer and solved global warming.

But aside from that, not too bad.
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The stories coming out of Colorado appear to be a mixture of sensationalism and assumption mixed with likely overindulgence of a newly legalized thing.
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I don't think they're either. A college student hallucinating and jumping off a balcony and a family man hallucinating and killing his wife are both very unusual events. Since both ingested marijuana beforehand it's more than just an assumption of a connection.
Those events might easily have happened before legalization but I'm guessing marijuana edibles are more available after legalization than before since now we have stores which specialize in marijuana edibles. I have no knowledge of the prior illegal trade but I doubt many dealers were baking brownies for their customers. I'm thinking most brownies were made by the consumer.

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