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Old 04-27-2014, 01:07 PM
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Is it illegal to be racist?

In light of the current Donald Sterling situation it seems that racist speech is problematic at least. Actions of course will have repercussions. But what about just self held beliefs?

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Old 04-27-2014, 01:21 PM
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You are free to be as racist as you like as long as your actions don't break the law. We don't have thought control laws.
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You are free to be as racist as you like as long as your actions don't break the law. We don't have thought control laws.
I love it when I can agree with you Tom.. I just hope that somehow it doesn't come to thought control laws in my life time.
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Old 04-27-2014, 03:46 PM
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I love it when I can agree with you Tom.. I just hope that somehow it doesn't come to thought control laws in my life time.
We have started down that slippery slope. What else but thought control is a "hate crime"? The government adds punishment for what it thinks were the thoughts behind a particular crime.
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Old 04-27-2014, 03:59 PM
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We have started down that slippery slope. What else but thought control is a "hate crime"? The government adds punishment for what it thinks were the thoughts behind a particular crime.
Similar to extra punishment for shooting police or firemen?
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Old 04-27-2014, 04:03 PM
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Similar to extra punishment for shooting police or firemen?
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Similar to extra punishment for shooting police or firemen?
That shouldn't happen either -- all citizens should have equal protection. A cop or firefighter in a pine box isn't any worse than a doctor, waitress, or construction worker.
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We have started down that slippery slope. What else but thought control is a "hate crime"? The government adds punishment for what it thinks were the thoughts behind a particular crime.
Scenario 1: You're drunk and accidentally run a neighbor over with your 240D.

Scenario 2: You're drunk and intentionally run a neighbor over with your 240D.

As the latter scenario involved intent, which is the product of thought, shouldn't you receive extra bonus points at sentencing?
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Old 04-27-2014, 04:53 PM
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Suppose you believe Asians work harder than East Africans. Based upon that belief you give the job to the Asian girl and for the same money you expect her to work harder than the other East Africans doing the same job. That is prejudice in action.
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Old 04-27-2014, 05:03 PM
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No one is suggesting that Sterling broke the law. He did part with wise public relations however, especially considering the degree to which black people are players, coaches, and fans in the enterprise that he runs as sort of his flagship thingy. Sporting franchise owners tend to treat their team like their biggest and most useful toy. He made his money in real estate I gather but he likes to sit courtside at games and he's pretty much trashed the appeal that once held for him.
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Old 04-27-2014, 05:04 PM
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Should racism be illegal?
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You are free to be as racist as you like as long as your actions don't break the law. We don't have thought control laws.
Exactly. There are specific 'hate crime' laws.

Outside the law, hate speech attacks a person or group on the basis of race, religion, gender, disability, or sexual orientation, for example. We see that on internet forums all the time.

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. How that's interpreted and enforced depends on local jurisdictions.
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You're welcome to be as racist as you want, just don't expect to any respect or sympathy in return. Donald Sterling got what he deserved.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:23 PM
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Should racism be illegal?
Of course not. Neither should being a homophobe, misogynist or misandrist. Nor an Islamophobe or a christophobe, nor any other personally held belief. Actions which victimize others on the other hand; sure. You bet.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:33 PM
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Scenario 1: You're drunk and accidentally run a neighbor over with your 240D.

Scenario 2: You're drunk and intentionally run a neighbor over with your 240D.

As the latter scenario involved intent, which is the product of thought, shouldn't you receive extra bonus points at sentencing?
If I am drunk and kill my neighbor, I am responsible for his death.
If my neighbor can't avoid being run over by a 240D he is responsible for his own death.

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