Women did not have the right to vote till 1920. Why not before? Blacks were not treated equally under the law till 1964. Why not before?

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

In the end it was because of the general Will of the People. When the general Will of the People changed that stuff changed.

The question for Me is; is the general Will of the People always good for the Country in general and the same with Legeslation.

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In these cases the general will of the people effected about 51% of our population in the first example and about 12% in the second.

These are taxpaying Americans we are talking about here and I really don't think the will of the people has much to do with it. The supreme law of the land is the US Constitution and how it effects the lives of Americans is what is important.

If we are to run this place depending on the will of the people then what do we need a Constitution for?

That is a nice idealistic thought. If at the end of the Civil War the Public had demanded that the Negros get full rights as Citizens the Government would have had to do that. But, instead most of the White People in the Country including a good deal of the Anti-Slavery People did not want and in fact prevented the Negros from having the same rights as themselves. All that despite CONUS.

And, then along with that was no Vote for Women even though there was at least one State that allowed Women to Vote at that time.
Neither of the above are isolated or extreme examples of CONUS being disregarded because the General Population supported that.

In My opinion as Religion became less important to the Population in General they started insisting on a different definition of the separation of Church and State than had been previously practiced.

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Because the heathens have started denying the validity of the constitution.

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

When the country was founded many states had requirements that anyone connected to the government had to be also connected to a religious faith. That faith was spelled out as Quaker, Episcopalian, etc.... Some states even wondered if they wanted to join in this thing known as 'The United States' because did they really want to unite with them totally? Or would a Confederation be better?

But what consisted of the Federal government decided to not play that game so for the Feds freedom of religion or from religion or whatever was the way they decided to go forward. Sending folks to DC? They can leave their brand of religion at the city limits since the Federal government was all business.

Not to say that leadership from religion was frowned upon. When you have something that works you are crazy not to stick with it, but even though a number of religious leaders fought to have their brand of religion made the main one Jefferson told them all to forget it. The US had just fought a war to get rid of the King and his Church of England's power. If you wanted to continue to attend the Church of England that was up to you, but the King stuff was gone and not coming back regardless of your religions thoughts.

Just because a government meeting opens with a prayer is not an endorsement of a religion. Our town, as well as many others, opens city council meetings with a prayer because they always have. If you were to suggest they were endorsing religion they would think you were nuts.

And.....

The Oklahoma Constitution forbids the use of any government property, of any type, to be used for a religious reason by anyone. That's why the whole 'Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn' fad dried up here in Oklahoma. There is no legal way to do it.

(I found it interesting that when a Democrat was governor here this fad was in full swing. The day a Republican was elected governor all efforts to place any such monuments ceased.)

But saying prayers at the opening of a meeting is not considered a religious use. It is considered a tradition and therefore is allowed under Oklahoma law.

And it is considered a tradition because it predates the adoption of the state Constitution and it is not used for religions teachings.

You counting Scalia amongst those heathen since he doesn't allow individual states to establish religion the way Thomas thinks they should be permitted to?

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What individual State actually wants to establish a Religion???

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Please see previous post.

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In Iran and many other muslim states, church and state ARE inextricably intertwined...

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Theocracies.

Islam through CAIR and a few others have deeply penetrated our government and influence policy and decisions.

Our official religion now?

that is the history of humanity up until the Christian Reformation movements, where suddenly people discovered that Jesus himself wanted a separation of church and state.

The capital dome was finished in 1866. So that seems to make it impossible for church services to have been held there prior to the civil war up to 1866.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.