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Old 06-17-2014, 07:49 AM
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I dunno, I'm on the fence about whether the story is true or not. The grandparents are on probation AFAIC. Bringing a child that size around 10 pit bulls. Just whack.

It's a tough one. It's a stretch that the grandmother would make up such a tale but I have a hard time believing that people are going to complain about scars/wounds on a child's face. I'm hoping for the girl's sake that it's true. Would be a shame for a scandal to come out on this.
thats exactly where i am. i look at that poor kid and i feel terrible for her, as she was obviously terribly injured.
i dont feel revulsion or disgust, and her injuries are severe, but ive dealt with people on a daily basis that are just naturally uglier than that wound. the story would seem to imply that enough people in the kfc were disgusted that an employee asked them to leave, and i feel like thats unlikely.

we are talking kfc here, they are gonna feed some dude with urine running down his leg and no teeth, but they are gonna ask this poor little kid to leave? i dont buy it. i buy it didnt happen, or the family was asked to leave for some other reason
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:03 AM
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People can be really insensitive. Compound that with the level of some people working fast food outlets and things are possible. As a general rule they do not employ rocket scientists. It may have just been a kid. Of course the situation may have been well embellished too as that's what the media does.

The only thing I can think of is with the childs inability to eat normally. That portion may have been quite a spectacle if she got to that stage. With all kinds of abnormal noises etc. Asked to leave based only on appearances is wrong of course. Becoming cognizant of her appearance because of the event if it occured worried me from an authenticity perspective. Logically at her age this did not add up to me and sounds like something generated by the parent or media.

Then in litigation heaven being the United States. If it did not happen you would thing KFC would be really on to someone. They would rightly see it as an attack on them.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:06 AM
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People can be really insensitive. Compound that with the level of some people working fast food outlets and things are possible. As a general rule they do not employ rocket scientists. It may have just been a kid. Of course the situation may have been well embellished too as that's what the media does.

The only thing I can think of is with the childs inability to eat normally. That portion may have been quite a spectacle if she got to that stage. With all kinds of abnormal noises etc. Asked to leave based only on appearances is wrong of course.

Then in litigation heaven being the United States. If it did not happen you would thing KFC would be really on to someone. They would rightly see it as an attack on them.
they are "investigating", and they have apologized and pledged money. That sounds like good stop gap PR for the meantime until they can find out what happened. Public opinion could instantly turn against them with big money loss if they didn't honor the accusation immediately.

Good point on the eating spectacle, could be part of it. Looking forward to more data coming out
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:34 AM
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Me too. I will be following this. But I think, whether it was actually said or it is just a baseless accusation溶either option is good for the little girl.

As for the dogs, I think some breeds were bred for aggression and attack and they just have it in them. The general public should not own those breeds IMO.

German Shepherds are used as police dogs because of their high trainability, not because of their attack potential (otherwise it'd be pits and rottweilers). I mean, they're herders after all... herders consistently train faster and smarter and more reliably than other types of dogs. Pointers point as puppies. Labs love to swim and retrieve. Herders herd their humans by pushing the backs of their legs. Coursers will run each other down for hours. We bred them to be this way, so it surprises me that dogs bred for aggression are owned by the general public.

I've worked with two Saint Bernards now and I have to say, that breed's reputation around children is spot on. They are incredibly patient and kind animals. Very gentle giants. Other purebreds I've dealt with though do have personality problems. Too many breeders breed for looks rather than temperament. Give me a hound/lab mutt any day.
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^Animals are all inherently unpredictable, to degrees.

From the dept. of fwiw, as a 3 year old child I was bit in the ankle by a domesticated german shepard. The owners insisted that I did something to provoke the dog but i was standing motionless at the time the dog attacked. It required something like 20 stitches to repair the damage.

A neighbor has a huge St. Bernard and it has some serious aggression issues. It will rear and put its face in yours and bark or even threaten to bite, along with over 200 lbs. of force on your shoulders with no notice. I致e seen it done to others and to myself. The owners think the aggression is cute and harmless. I think the dog should be put down.

Don稚 get me wrong, I致e been a dog owner much of my life but dogs can make aggressive gestures for no apparent reason. Cats do the same. Breeds that exhibit this trait should not be in social settings unless they are muzzled.
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^Animals are all inherently unpredictable, to degrees.

From the dept. of fwiw, as a 3 year old child I was bit in the ankle by a domesticated german shepard. The owners insisted that I did something to provoke the dog but i was standing motionless at the time the dog attacked. It required something like 20 stitches to repair the damage.

A neighbor has a huge St. Bernard and it has some serious aggression issues. It will rear and put its face in yours and bark or even threaten to bite, along with over 200 lbs. of force on your shoulders with no notice. I’ve seen it done to others and to myself. The owners think the aggression is cute and harmless. I think the dog should be put down.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a dog owner much of my life but dogs can make aggressive gestures for no apparent reason. Cats do the same. Breeds that exhibit this trait should not be in social settings unless they are muzzled.
I hear you, and I agree with what you've said. I do think that the dogs you describe are mainly outliers, and dogs whose owners have not taught them that aggression is unacceptable. That saint needs rehabilitation, at the very least. Do you think you might call the city and have someone official talk to them? Maybe then they'll get the message.

Most people don't know dog aggression when they see it. A huge proportion of dog owners can't even house train their dogs. And they don't realize that kids usually set aggressive dogs off just by looking at a dogs face and not breaking eye contact. For many aggressive dogs, that's all it takes to set them off. The owners don't see half of what is happening so they deny anything happened.

FWIW, I've also been attacked by a dog. The owner was trying to avoid eviction, and put the dog's litter in a box under a blanket with bricks all over the blanket so she couldn't get to her pups. He then left the garage door cracked open so the dog would attack anyone who came to the door. I happened to be knocking on doors for my summer job.
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As for the dogs, I think some breeds were bred for aggression and attack and they just have it in them. The general public should not own those breeds IMO.
Much of the general public shouldn't do a lot of things.
Has no bearing on the breed.

Personally, I do not feel that any breed should be outlawed.
Possibly when a dog fighting ring is uncovered, destroying the lineage of dogs involved and bred for it might be a fine course of action, but do not outlaw a breed because of the idiots who chose to own them.


Here's a question....
Which breed is most likely to bite?

If you answered Pit Bull, Rottweiler, Doberman or German Shepard, you would be wrong....
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