thats exactly where i am. i look at that poor kid and i feel terrible for her, as she was obviously terribly injured.
i dont feel revulsion or disgust, and her injuries are severe, but ive dealt with people on a daily basis that are just naturally uglier than that wound. the story would seem to imply that enough people in the kfc were disgusted that an employee asked them to leave, and i feel like thats unlikely.

we are talking kfc here, they are gonna feed some dude with urine running down his leg and no teeth, but they are gonna ask this poor little kid to leave? i dont buy it. i buy it didnt happen, or the family was asked to leave for some other reason

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People can be really insensitive. Compound that with the level of some people working fast food outlets and things are possible. As a general rule they do not employ rocket scientists. It may have just been a kid. Of course the situation may have been well embellished too as that's what the media does.

The only thing I can think of is with the childs inability to eat normally. That portion may have been quite a spectacle if she got to that stage. With all kinds of abnormal noises etc. Asked to leave based only on appearances is wrong of course. Becoming cognizant of her appearance because of the event if it occured worried me from an authenticity perspective. Logically at her age this did not add up to me and sounds like something generated by the parent or media.

Then in litigation heaven being the United States. If it did not happen you would thing KFC would be really on to someone. They would rightly see it as an attack on them.

they are "investigating", and they have apologized and pledged money. That sounds like good stop gap PR for the meantime until they can find out what happened. Public opinion could instantly turn against them with big money loss if they didn't honor the accusation immediately.

Good point on the eating spectacle, could be part of it. Looking forward to more data coming out

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Me too. I will be following this. But I think, whether it was actually said or it is just a baseless accusation—neither option is good for the little girl.

As for the dogs, I think some breeds were bred for aggression and attack and they just have it in them. The general public should not own those breeds IMO.

German Shepherds are used as police dogs because of their high trainability, not because of their attack potential (otherwise it'd be pits and rottweilers). I mean, they're herders after all... herders consistently train faster and smarter and more reliably than other types of dogs. Pointers point as puppies. Labs love to swim and retrieve. Herders herd their humans by pushing the backs of their legs. Coursers will run each other down for hours. We bred them to be this way, so it surprises me that dogs bred for aggression are owned by the general public.

I've worked with two Saint Bernards now and I have to say, that breed's reputation around children is spot on. They are incredibly patient and kind animals. Very gentle giants. Other purebreds I've dealt with though do have personality problems. Too many breeders breed for looks rather than temperament. Give me a hound/lab mutt any day.

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^Animals are all inherently unpredictable, to degrees.

From the dept. of fwiw, as a 3 year old child I was bit in the ankle by a domesticated german shepard. The owners insisted that I did something to provoke the dog but i was standing motionless at the time the dog attacked. It required something like 20 stitches to repair the damage.

A neighbor has a huge St. Bernard and it has some serious aggression issues. It will rear and put its face in yours and bark or even threaten to bite, along with over 200 lbs. of force on your shoulders with no notice. I’ve seen it done to others and to myself. The owners think the aggression is cute and harmless. I think the dog should be put down.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a dog owner much of my life but dogs can make aggressive gestures for no apparent reason. Cats do the same. Breeds that exhibit this trait should not be in social settings unless they are muzzled.

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I hear you, and I agree with what you've said. I do think that the dogs you describe are mainly outliers, and dogs whose owners have not taught them that aggression is unacceptable. That saint needs rehabilitation, at the very least. Do you think you might call the city and have someone official talk to them? Maybe then they'll get the message.

Most people don't know dog aggression when they see it. A huge proportion of dog owners can't even house train their dogs. And they don't realize that kids usually set aggressive dogs off just by looking at a dogs face and not breaking eye contact. For many aggressive dogs, that's all it takes to set them off. The owners don't see half of what is happening so they deny anything happened.

FWIW, I've also been attacked by a dog. The owner was trying to avoid eviction, and put the dog's litter in a box under a blanket with bricks all over the blanket so she couldn't get to her pups. He then left the garage door cracked open so the dog would attack anyone who came to the door. I happened to be knocking on doors for my summer job.

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

I've handled more than a few dog bite cases and have learned it's not usually the fault of the animal, it's the humans who set them up for failure. My first case, the owner of a rottweiler had a chain link fence and gate, with signs every ten feet with the picture of a doberman with sharp teeth. When I asked the owner why the graphic signs, she said it was to warn children that might not know how to read. Well, a full grown adult, who knew how to read, stuck her head into gap in the garage gate and got her face bit.

Another case, a dog sitter sent her five year old daughter to fetch a retired greyhound that was being cared for at the owner's home from the upstairs master bedroom where the dog sleeps. Dog and child had an unfortunate meeting and the little girl got bitten on the face. Dog sitter Mom denied any responsibility.

I don't understand parents that bring small children to off leash dog parks, or encourage their children to "give the dog a hug".

It probably took me years of ownership to get a handle on dogs. If you are going to own one daily exercise goes a long way. I have had dogs in our growing up years and since leaving home those many years ago.

At this time our younger dog somehow knows the very old dog has issues. He will ask us to put the older dog out for example and seems to watch over him in a careful non dominate fashion.

Our older dogs time is near. I have no ideal how the younger dog rationalizes these things but he does seem to know something is up.

Reciently he is now going way out of his norm to kind of care for him. He watches him almost continually. Plays very easy l if the older dog want to participate. This on any day his energy is higher.

The old dogs hearing is gone, his eyes are weakening, He can no longer jump up on things easily. Misses steps that he has trod for years.

Since he shows no sign of pain even though he has an enlarged heart and he coughs ocassionally. I feel it is still a little too early to put him down. At the same time it is growing closer all the time. He has had a long good happy life.

> I do think that the dogs you describe are mainly outliers, and dogs whose owners have not taught them that aggression is unacceptable.

Perhaps, yet that happens a lot, because love is blind.

I was on my daily walk through a park about a year ago, and a mid-size dog, not on a leash, ran up and bit me on leg right above the boot top. The owners said to me: “Sorry! Our dog has a history of aggression issues and we’re trying to acclimate him to being around people.”

I told them, among other things, to get a muzzle and leash for the fuking dog, or they would find themselves in front of a judge and responsible for medical bills and the fees to have their dog put down.”

I almost called the police but doubted they’d show up. Anywho, pet owners, careless or not, are ultimately responsible for their pet’s actions. They may be “outliers” but there are 10s of millions of them.

>That saint needs rehabilitation, at the very least. Do you think you might call the city and have someone official talk to them? Maybe then they'll get the message.

Actually, I told them after the 2nd time the dog jumped up on me that I’d call animal control if they didn’t control their dog. It made no difference to them, other than to act pissy toward me thereafter.

> Most people don't know dog aggression when they see it. A huge proportion of dog owners can't even house train their dogs.

I disagree. Some dog owners are simply overly tolerant of bad behavior. Many dog owners would be done a favor by heavy fines or time in jail and other dog owners are not capable of operating a spoon, and should not raise an animal. After all, the common expression is that “a dog’s behavior mirrors that of the owner” has a solid basis.

> the owner was trying to avoid eviction, and put the dog's litter in a box under a blanket with bricks all over the blanket so she couldn't get to her pups. He then left the garage door cracked open so the dog would attack anyone who came to the door. I happened to be knocking on doors for my summer job.

^An owner worthy of jail time, imo.

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I'd rather think that most owners of aggressive dogs are oblivious rather than just over tolerant. But that isn't a fact choice, it's more of a personal comfort going on living choice.

I say call the city in on the Saint owners. And yeah, there are millions of outliers. I don't know what can be done apart from federal regulation.

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

>I'd rather think that most owners of aggressive dogs are oblivious rather than just over tolerant

You say potato, I say potatoe. Aka "love is blind."

>I say call the city in on the Saint owners.

There is no city anywhere nearby. The perception that it’s okay to let animals do as they please is part of the problem. They do keep their 200 lb bundle of agression on a leash, but nearly anyone who comes up to talk with the owners will be assaulted. Ironically, the pet’s owners are on the board for the local HOA.....

>And yeah, there are millions of outliers. I don't know what can be done apart from federal regulation.

…and therein is the root issue that endlessly circles pit bulls and other known overly aggressive breeds….

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Regulation of dangerous breeds has worked in some places. No time to google it right now...

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Well there are probably almost no pit bull incidents where they are banned. I think Toronto, Canada is a pit bull banned city.

People still get bitten by pitbulls in cities like Miami, there are certainly numbers that get recorded. However, that just means another breed gets to the top of the list, which in Dade County (basically Miami, FL) that breed is now listed as "Terrier" followed by "Labrador mix"

A meth head just got arrested in my neck of the woods for tossing a puppy out the window of a car going 50mph. It was rescued by a woman traveling behind the car he was in. It was a pitbull puppy. Imagine that.....

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