No, Nate ;

Not ALL Catholics, just the ones who didn't and still don't believe in God , Christ and the Bible .

There are many who hide behind scripture just as most tyrants and treasonists (!SP!) wrap them selves in a flag as they work to destroy their country .

Don't ever let those types get you down, that's what they want : for good people to give up .

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I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

To you last paragraph... That cosmic irony is a not infrequent consequence of disaster, whether human caused or natural. It’s like a karmic balance repaid. But in reality, it makes no sense. In my world, there is no karma and I think God is an open question. For some survivors the event destroys belief in God. Others find redemption in the same event.

In my lifetime I’ve been involved in search and rescue or recovery from several natural disasters. In those instances victims were random and survival was largely circumstantial. Great assistance was generally forthcoming and longer term.

In those ways natural disasters differ from the disaster of the Final Solution. More is the horror for its industrial intentionality.

My parents fell in to the former category. They explained it to me that they consider themselves jewish persons not religious jews. They know that judism is not a race or ethnicity but none the less something that holds a commonality unlike most other religions. Very few others can lay claim to the persecution in recent history that jews have in terms of attempted elimination. They went to temple for the social aspect. I was forced to g to hebrew school so I could formulate my own decision and learn of the history of the jews. I followed in my parents foot steps. I wear a star of david because of what my parents endured because of their religion. I have not been to temple in over 30 yrs. I do not miss it in my life. I have done okay with my life in spite of religion, not because of it.

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

https://www.nova.edu/holocaustcontest/images/Forgiveness.pdf

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- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

I read through it all again. Mans inhumanity to man is very hard to comprehend. It still goes on.

I personally have no use for religion. It has been used far too often as the basis or justification. Of what is fundamentally evil or wrong. It still is used.

People that want to interfere negatively with others are not paying proper attention to rowing their own boats. This to me is still an ongoing sickness.

Religion was still being used to turn people against others in another religion. In my early lifetime in north America. Plus religious discrimination based on really nothing existed.

We were not a Jewish family. We did use Jewish doctors. Only the smartest could get into medical school here because of the discrimination. So in general they were good physicians.

At the same time I have no issue with those individuals that have religious beliefs. As for the structured top of the organizations. They were for all intents and common sense purposes. Mans first corporations. The money flows in only one direction primarily.

Just wait until you get some jail time, your mind will be boggled .

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Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Many mental abnormalities present some common issues. While not being insanity. One pretty constant denominator is the level of functional conscience is either low or non existent. Plus their ability to emotional relate to others is seriously lacking.

Unfortunatly these issues are genetically driven. As humans we cannot fix or do that much about these issues. When they present in individuals. Other than incarcerate many of them. Even remorse is seldom there as it is a function of conscience.. They seem to take one of two paths. Essentially both outside conventional limits. Quite often their basic intelligence is pretty substantial.

Becoming President is not an impossibility. Trump has been on my radar for a very long time. He is wealthy and powerful and perhaps even smart. Yet the character deficiencies he displays. With him seemingly to have no personal issues with doing them. Speak volumes to me.

Just because I can get away with a behavior. Many things in my personal emotional profile. Either stop me from being aware of or even considering them. Or my very being will not let me exercise them.

Lying or telling the truth are totally acceptable and interchangeable to Trump as personal behaviors. He would feel it is smart to lie with not much if any functional conscience. The true danger with individuals like Trump is they have no personal boundries either. Nor do they respect others.

His ex and current wives could fill in on the issues. There would be a substantial list of things that are beyond his comprehension. To a certain extent he could fake certain things as he really does not relate to them normally.

He is capable of exploiting the presidency in many ways for his own financial gain. He would think it was smart rather than wrong. He may not be able to relate properly to the average person at all. This is not because of his wealth.

Also a component of prison populations. Would be people with untreated mental illness. If a person of relative normal function lands up in prison. The environment around them will be pretty toxic.

You cannot blame the pubic for electing this type of person. You have to have a lot of experience with them to understand the true nature of them.

With some of these abnormalities. The behaviors start to decline around age forty. With others they remain a constant. I have actually taken my thinking to another level.

They are a growing factor in society. Since they lack the sense of personal responsibility they breed more. There is enough consistence to all their behaviors. I see then as a substantial variation of the human condition. If we recognize them.

It is just a meaningless thought. If man persists in the long term they may become the predominate humans of our specis. The level of the genetic issues varies today in different societies.

I try to post my thoughts in the simplest way I can. I was involved so much with them. I was able to understand how they function. What is missing from the norm became quite obvious. It was not rocket science. It has to be considered a normal expectation for some of them to rise to very high positions. Some can manufacture a really good synthetic persona. It is just a social veneer though.

I could go far deeper when describing what is exciting to them. If they can achieve enough control. Serial killers are an excellent example of the type. The personal risk is high for them though. It is safer to practice using others as tools. They can hide quite well in high positions as the general public is just not as aware of what they really are.

I also see a lot of behaviors that are not created by these abnormalities. Rather just stupidity. I went through a lot of training in dealing with the human condition years ago. Some had some obvious merit. Yet on the whole It was really out of touch.

"If a person of relative normal function lands up in prison. The environment around them will be pretty toxic."

Just so, I have first hand knowledge of this .

" You have to have a lot of experience with them to understand the true nature of them. "

Boy, howdy you said a mouthful there .

I'm going to try and leave this here, I was born & raised Down East so I have way too much experience with this typ of people .

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Never understood and still don’t to this day how “millions” and “millions” of folks were in essence passive about being slaughtered? The experts claim humans have two basic reactions: fight or flight. Theses “millions” and “millions” of folks chose neither. The real story is why not take a stand and fight and fight from day one? World history may have been significantly different. Now, flash forward a number of decades, and there’s a whole sub-culture of folks who are perpetual victims and universally entitled and owed something. Years ago I read Plato’s Republic and one of the many notions which stayed with me was the “moral theory” that ‘might makes right’. This theory may ultimately be the fundamental basis of humanity. Around 400 years later Christianity changed things. I see those as the two big dividers: accept religion and its constructs or Plato’s dinner guest’s position. Otherwise you’re either a hypocrite or a con man

If you want to know why, go talk to a survivor. There are a few left. Most will be happy to explain it to you.

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

There are also many books and historical accounts of this period.

There are few Jewish families which were not touched by the Holocaust.

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George Santayana.

There’s that famous psychological study in which students were told to inflict electrical pain on other students. Unbeknownst to the students, the “victim” didn’t actually get shocks. Most students continued to follow instructions to increase pain.

This works on victims, too, who believe authority despite evidence that the authority is wicked. One of the barriers I have to increasing gov authority into individual lives is the resultant expanding docile response to governmental injustice. If we let gov get a little power it will use it all to the limit. Then tell you to give up some more personal responsibility for the promise of gov security.

It usually works. Throughout human history, all governments either gain power through violent oppression or eventually devolve to it.