THANK YOU kind Sir .

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Offensive? What did Nate say that was offensive? Good grief! The guy is just talking about rifles!

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I prefer to talk about my gun.

This is my rifle, this is my gun, this one is for killing, this one for fun.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Do you have any formal education in reading/comprehension/language? You quoted it "And your 'usual' thing is offensive " Did you read what you quoted before you fired off on half your cylinders? Good grief! I was just talking about rifles!

I have plenty of formal education. I will refrain from insulting comments about your shortcomings. How about taking insults elsewhere?

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You are always the guy that starts it then complains about what you brought down upon yourself. Perhaps you do not comprehend what you do is insulting? Or just think your snark is rad?

I've been wating for someone to say this .

Too often when I use older verbiage and commentary I get called on the carpet for it .

I'm sure there's an old black and white movie clip out there that would illustrate what you're saying, sans visual aids it's missing 1/2 .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

since I was not a vet I heard it second hand from my dorm roomie in 1967...did I get it right?

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I'm sure there were variations, what I was told was 'this is my rifle (holding it in one hand) this is my gun (grab your crotch) this is for work and this is for fun ' .

There were a lot of training films that were decidedly un P.C. so I imagine this was filmed and used some where along the line .

In any case, back when I was handy with firearms I always preferred long arms, my '42 parabellum was the only piston I was ever any proficient using .

Everyone has their own favorite and skill set ~ I once told a buddy that bayonets are poorly balanced and so make very poor and inaccurate throwing knives ~ it took him two weeks to become very proficient in throwing mine so what the hell, I gave it to him .

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Yeah, and you are NEVER snarky or insulting.

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NOTHING in the Army training of the sixties was politically correct. Is it more important to be politically correct or to teach the kids something that might help them survive?

The words for us was for “killing” not for “work.” “This is for killing and this for fun.”

In my youth I could shoot. A big part of it is practice. Use it or lose it. Now I am still pretty good with a #hotgun, but my rifle and pistol marksmanship is certainly not what it once was. When in the Army I was very proud when I qualified Expert with the M14 in Basic Training and expert with the M16 when issued later in Germany. I also qualified Expert with the .45, but there’s a story behind that.

A good friend was our armorer. We were at the range and I was scheduled to qualify with a pistol. At the time that meant a 1911 .45. As I was walking through the line to pick up one of the ..45’s laid out on a counter, my friend saw me and said “Put that back. Take this one.” He handed me one that he had behind the counter. We went out on the range and relative to the other guys I was shooting like Buffalo Bill. I was the only one that qualified expert.

When I saw my friend that night I asked him what the heck that was about. He said that over the years, those pistols had been disassembled many at a time and the parts thrown in a barrel of solvent, then parts fished out and assembled with no regard for putting them back together with all the original parts. He had gotten two of them together with matching parts and had done some trigger work on one of them. That’s the one he gave me.

After that, whenever I was carrying a .45, people made comments about it. “Don’t mess with Bible when he’s carrying that thing!”

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I've never fired a 1911 45 cal. They certainly have a reputation of being hard to shoot accurately. I suspect they will shoot where you point them but they are difficult to point well.

The nice one you shot probably was smooth acting and kicked less than the average one.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I became enamored with the .45 at that point and have owned probably a couple of dozen over the years and still have five. There are lots of tweaks that can be made, but for accuracy the most important thing is a good trigger. A crisp 3 1/2 pound trigger will make all the difference. Most, but not all, other custom work has to do with reliable feeding.

Recoil is not an issue, but people who don’t hold it firmly have trouble with it. The recoil is no problem if you hold onto it so it will work properly.

The .45 is certainly not the greatest pistol ever built, but a good one feels great and shoots great. Part of its popularity has to do with its stopping power.

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Great movie. I own a couple 1891/30 Mosins, and a couple of their variants such as a Dragoon, as well as a Finnish M24. Talk about a real beast of a rifle. If you run out of ammo, you could literally beat the hell out of someone with it if you were out in the open. It was far too long for efficient use in closer combat situations.

I have a love for that rifle, and can't say no when I find them in pawn shops or some gun shops I frequent. If I have the cash on me at the moment, I'll buy it. In the past 10 years or so, I've bought and sold a number of them. Back when Dunham's Sports had them for $75 each, I bought 10 of them...had loads of cosmoline to clean off, and build a tank to do just that. I picked up some nice ones there, as well as some that were not so nice. I had one with a split stock that I picked up from there for $45. A month later, I listed it for sale, and got $100 cash and a Mossberg 702 Plinkster that needed work. Mossberg gave me the parts for free, namely new front and rear sights, and it has turned out to be a fun shooter. I gave it to my son when he was ready.

Knowing that those rifles are still in use by Afghani Rebels proves just how well built they were...even in their roughest machined condition.

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IMO, it's a very good pistol that was designed to be cheaply built using loose tolerances making it almost jam proof ~ an important thing in a close quarters weapon .

Thank you for the details on making it shoot better, my son has a national match grade one he bought some decades back when he asked me to teach him how to shoot .

I'd thought the poor accuracy thing was lack of close tolerance barrel bushings ~ shows how little I know .

He asked me to not buy a wheel gun when we were equipping him to study/learn/practice so I bought a Colt 1903 Pocket Automatic chambered in .32 caliber, thinking it would have significantly less recoil .

WRONG .

I went to a pawn shop and they had two, one looked like new but looking down the barrel with a bit of white paper (PO-boy borescope) showed it to be not only shot out but poorly maintained with pitting, the other one looked scruffy and had signs of external rust but the barrel and action was perfect so I pitched a ***** about how bad it looked and levered the price to my liking .

It turns out that not keeping up with your practice really is a thing, in two weeks my son was far more proficient than I'd even been, in time he took ownership of it .

Many mock the Colt 1911 .45, I think it's a pretty good tool that does exactly what it was designed to do even decades later and after minimal care .

Plus of course, when you run out of ammo you can ***** slap the hell out of the other guy with it.....

Firearms are tools, nothing more nothing less ~ don't waste time trying to impress others with your big gun, learn how to shoot it and mainatain it and always be careful, it's just like a chainsaw : useful but very dangerous if you're incautious .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better