I am not pro Russian. The German field troops mass killed civilians. Plus Russian prisoners of war. So the Russians were going to take heavy losses to break the German war machine.

Stalin purged the majority of the Russian army officers in 1937-38? So the poorly led Russian troops took unreasonable losses in the early part of the invasion. Perhaps it was the same in Finland.

How the Russians restored a good working command structure as fast as they did is probably a story in itself.

I have an infield that my dad put a sporting stock on. It is 30 06.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Is that aimed at me?

just how big are the rats over by you? :|

Aimed no, it was a question for you .

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OK I'll take a shot at it: Yes, both. Had an M1 but that is now officially possessed by a relative. A few peeps, said relative included, have .303's that it was my pleasure to not be able to group tightly. Prolly not my shortcoming. Those were all well used surplus shot out type old hunka junks. But really the cartridge seems to have no advantage. And your 'usual' thing is offensive and uncalled for. I hope this finds you well.

The M1 I believe is a pretty good accurate gun.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

O.K., calling all Lee Enfields junk because you shot _one_ that you admitted was shot out, isn't a fair comparison .

Yes, I know many (? most ?) were basically scrap metal when sold off but that doesn't make all of them bad .

The Springfield 1903.A3 was IMO a darn good shooter yet I heard all manner of the usual "they're crap" from those who couldn't afford one back in the 1960's when they were in fact a very popular hunting rifle .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

That Enfield was a favorite of the Afgan fighters as with the extensive guards around the sights it could slide down a rocky ledge and still shoot straight. I imagine some are still inservice there.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

The one you have is an Enfield P-17. There was a P-14 in .303. Both are much different than the Lee-Enfield. I have both. Both are good.

OK dandy

Some of it was as pictured in 'Enemy at the Gates'. A suicide attacks. Some of the Finns had to be taken off the front lines, as the mowed down waves of Russians. The dogma of the Russian command killed plenty.
The Russians did do their part against Germany. No doubt about that. A lot of nations are left out of their contributions to the ending of that War. Poles, Australians, New Zealand and others. Some such as Vietnam fought on the Allies side. A complex war, that a myopic view does injustice to. Even my own. My view can change with any new info.

I have shot a good .303 and found it very comfortable to shoot and dead-on accurate at the range max of 150 yds. It beats the pants off a K98 derivative for a second shot. British infantry soldiers had a strong reputation for accurate, sustained fire.

Those pesky facts again......

When I was a lad there were still lots of WWII Veterans, in helping me to survive they occasionally talked about their weapons of choice, I prefer the M1 Garand but the .303 Lee Enfield was a good accurate weapon if ancient looking even when new .

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

The Lee Enfield was initially an American design. It was issued to marines in I believe 6mm. Then the Britts got in and it was a Lee Metford. Then became the SMLE or Smelly. The .303 was an intermediate round. And the SMLE did have a good reputation as a high rate of fire. The Japanese based or basically copied and took off the rim for the 7.7 Jap.
The P-14 Enfield was originally designed for a new magnum length cartridge. I remember a .276 caliber or such. Due to the onset of WW1, it was redesigned for the .303. It was based on the 1903 Springfield, with SMLE and Mauser influences. Remington used the action as a sporter rifle and improved it over the years. The US used is as a service rifle in WW1 and WW2, the P-17. Actually, more were made than the 1903 and 03/A3 or 03/A4 Springfield.