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Snibble · #16 09-22-2002, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by BENZ-LGB
England happens to be our most loyal ally, in ALL things. There is a lot that we Americans owe to the British (as there is a lot that they owe to us). The British support us and have stood shoulder to shoulder with us, especially in our fight against terrorism. While France, Russia and even Germany (egads! the land of Mercedes!!!) are kicking us in the teeth England and the British people stand fast by us. Let's be a little bit more tolerant and understanding of others, especially our true allies.

Perhaps... you don't think that England is doing the old fashioned "butt licking" thing, do you?

France, Russia and Germany... along with most of the world has chosen to step away from any envolvement because they don't want to be in a mess. I don't blame them..

#17 09-22-2002, 02:29 AM

Yup! Six years ago I sold my '93 Honda CRX SI 16 valve and bought my brother's '80 240-D with a manual transmission. I'll always have a soft place in my heart for that old diesel that just wouldn't die. Almost 300,000 miles before some idiot rear ended it. Now I'm hooked and own three myself!

BTW, I directed the NRA'a national live television show, "The NRA Today" for over a year. Y'all should know from that my standing on our right to bear arms!!

Deltacom · #18 09-22-2002, 08:23 AM

To: William Rogers, Rsbiomedical, Diesel Power, TXBill, Mercedes Fred, BENZ-LGB, TANK, Snibble, Sflori, Jason Beal and any other with an input on this thread.

First of all, I offer an apology and ask for forgiveness to all those who took offence, were upset, angered, annoyed or simply disappointed with the short statement I made in response to William Rogers's post and for any discord this may have caused to a wonderful bunch of members that you guys are.

I have to acknowledge that by trying to synthesize a stream of thought into a very short statement to avoid Occam's razor, I was unwittingly lending my statement to a profuse ways of interpretation. For this I can only take full responsibility.

Secondly, notwithstanding the commotion unleashed on this sensitive subject, I must say that the responses engendered were conveyors of those most precious human values which were reflected on each post, and these were: Courage, Altruism, Hope, Faith, Truth, Idealism, Loyalty, Unselfishness and the value of Pleasure. For this guys, I am indebted to you all.

To all these values there is an immense overriding raison d'etre and I will endeavor to portray them in my own small way:-

The Vicissitudes of Existence

The uncertainties of life and the vicissitudes of existence do not in any manner contradict the concept of the sovereignty of choice. All evolutionary creature life is beset by certain inevitabilities.

Consider the following:-

1. Is courage (strength of character) desirable?. Then must man be reared in an environment which necessitates grappling with hardships and reacting to disappointments.

2. Is altruism (service of one's fellows) desirable?. Then musts life experience provide for encountering situations of social inequality.

3. Is hope (the grandeur of trust) desirable. Then human existence must constantly be confronted with insecurities and recurrent uncertainties.

4. Is faith (the supreme assertion of human thought) desirable?. Then must the mind of man find itself in the troublesome predicament where it ever knows less than it can believe.

5. Is the love of truth and the willingness to go wherever it leads, desirable?. Then must man grow up in a world where error is present and falsehood always possible.

6. Is idealism (the approaching concept of wisdom) desirable?. Then must man struggle in an environment of relative goodness and beauty, surroundings stimulative of the irrepressible reach for better things.

7. Is loyalty (devotion to highest duty) desirable?. Then must man carry on amid the possibilities of betrayal and desertion. The valor of devotion to duty consists in the implied danger of default.

8. Is unselfishness (the spirit of self-forgetfulness) desirable? Then must mortal man live face to face with the incessant clamoring of an inescapable self for recognition and honor. Man could not dynamically choose the wisdom in life if there were no self-values to forsake. Man could never lay saving hold on righteousness if there were no potential evil to exalt and differentiate the good by contrast.

9. Is pleasure (the satisfaction of happiness) desirable?. Then must man live in a world where the alternative of pain and the likelihood of suffering are ever-present experiential possibilities.

Thank you Guys for your tolerance.

#19 09-22-2002, 09:44 AM

All I can say is WOW!! One hell of a post Deltacom. I never hold any grudges against anybody. Thanx.

BENZ-LGB · #20 09-22-2002, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Snibble

Perhaps... you don't think that England is doing the old fashioned "butt licking" thing, do you?

France, Russia and Germany... along with most of the world has chosen to step away from any envolvement because they don't want to be in a mess. I don't blame them..

There is no reason in the world for England to be licking our butt. The Brits can do, and hae done, quite well without us. BTW, I am not an Anglophile!

As for not wanting to be in a mess, we are already in a mess and the mess will get worse unless we take strong action against Husseim and all terrorists. This is very much like pre-WWII Europe, when no one wanted to do anything about Hitler (except Churchill) because no one wanted to get in a a "mess." Well, after Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland they were all in a big 'ole mess.

As for the present motivation for Russia's, France's and Germany's position I offer the following suggestions (my own opinion).

France: What a big surprise. This is a country whose armies train for war by dropping their weapons to the ground, raising their arms high up in the air and marching backwards.

Germany: The current Prime Minister is hoping to get re-elected by campaigning on Germany's refusal to exorcise the ghosts of the Third Reich.

Russia: Putin is an ex-KGB operative. He still hates the U.S. Besides, russia has extensive oil contracts with Iraq that will go into high gear as soon as sanctions are lifted against Husseim's regime.

So as far as France, Germany and Russia are concerned, their motives are: cowardice, ignorance and greedy--the Big Three.

And as far as the debate that go this whole thread going, I am glad things are all patched up and everyone i s making nice-nice. As TxBill wrote, this is a great forum for the unfettered exchange of ideas, however unpopular they may be. Even when feathers get occasionally ruffled, it is still always good to jump right into the fray!

Mr. BILL · #21 09-22-2002, 04:56 PM

Spirited debate of opposing sides of an issue is not being rude. Name calling and insults are. However, I haven't seen any in this thread.

I just returned from watching my first high school debate tournament. The folks posting above who think some who responded to this thread are rude need to go sit in on a debate tournament. The participants argue passionately their position and point out flaws in the opponents case and logic. It's very interesting and served as a reminder to me that "arguing" a belief or position is still a valid form of resolution...as long as the participants are civil.

That being said, remember...Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun!

#22 09-22-2002, 07:57 PM

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Russia: Putin is an ex-KGB operative. He still hates the U.S.

I wouldn't trust that dude 1 micrometer. I think he is 2 faced, evil and would sell us out in a minute.

On TX Bill's comment, I'd have to agree again. Knock one evil sob down and another one of them seems to pop out of the rubble. If not Arafat, it will be another one, if not Hussain, then pussain or some other evil friek with a stupid looking mustache will arise. BUT, we must do everything we can to keep the pests under control, else they become furors or something.

ps. I doubt the dudes alive, and think b.l. to the missle express to hell.

mikemover · #23 09-22-2002, 11:27 PM

It's been said a million times, but the cliche' phrase "Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people" has always and will always hold true.

A gun in my drawer will not ever kill anyone on its own. However, if someone were to come into my home and threaten my life, the killing would be done by ME, not the gun! And tell me why I should not have the right to defend myself in this way? Would it be better if I were defenseless, and killed by a criminal, just because some pathetic liberals are worried about a far-fetched "what-if" scenario of someone else getting hold of my gun? If law-abiding citizens are deprived of the right to own weapons and defend themselves by "gun control" zealots, then guess who will be the only people left with "control of the guns"!....Criminals!!! Is this not obvious?

A criminal who wants a gun WILL get one, legal or not. That reality cannot be changed, similar to the drug debate we're having on another thread....Without gun ownership, criminals will be even MORE eager to come into your home and rob you and kill you, because he will be assured that you, the "law-abiding citizen" will have no way to defend yourself. No thanks, I prefer to not be another victim.

If gun ownership becomes illegal in America in my lifetime, I AM MOVING, because totalitarianism will not be far behind. End of story.

One of the first things Hitler did as he rose to power was to disarm the citizens: http://www.xmission.com/~ranthon/hitler-and-guns.htm ...that tells me all I need to know about "Gun Control". An unarmed population is a very easily controlled and manipulated population. Politicians are keenly aware of this. Remember that. http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa109.html

In recent years, England's government has enacted some gun control measures--see: http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html . Their crime rates have risen. Years ago in Kennesaw, GA (a suburb of Atlanta), an ordinance was passed requiring the "head of every household" to own a firearm--see: http://www.geocities.com/liberalgunfarce/working_GC.html . Crime rates plummetted. You do the math.

Mike

#24 09-23-2002, 12:43 AM

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One of the first things Hitler did as he rose to power was to disarm the citizens:

This is absolutely true. The right to bear arms IS STILL totally relevant and has good reason to be upheld. Not to get too philisophical but "live by the sword.." is to be taken into context, not totally literally and unconditionally as I see it. Just as the quote "sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" was true. Here Jesus meant "use some common sense when interpreting scripture," as I've been told. For those of you who understand this, kudo's.

P.S. I have tested well in venues of intelligence and comprehension but kinda scratching my head on Delta's last post. I think the message is "until you walk in the other dudes mocassins(sp)...." But it could be anybody's guess. If so, why not just say that? No criticism meant here just a comment.

Mr. BILL · #25 09-23-2002, 09:59 AM

Anyone who believes that passing a law eliminating guns will cure the problem must also believe that there are no illegal drugs in this country. My idea of gun control is hitting your target.

The right to bear arms is as fundamental as free speach. Used properly, they are wonderful. Used carelessly, they can be devestating. Those who choose to own a firearm have that right. However, they also have an obligation to take precautions to ensure the safety of others. We don't need to eliminate guns, just careless gun owners.

A gun is no more dangerous than a car.

blloyd7 · #26 09-23-2002, 01:53 PM

...just mind your own business. That is all.

G-Benz · #27 09-23-2002, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by william rogers
while trying to find something to work on on my 500 SE today I had a brief insight, That since by shear luck I aquired my first MB (74 240D) five years ago and now own three MB's ! that they have played a considerable roll in improving my whole outlook on life.I can't think of anything other than my collection of fine firearms that gives me so much pleasure. Am I a dieing breed?
William Rogers.........

Interesting how this (seemingly harmless) thread has strayed so far from its original intent...

Yeah, Will...I feel that MB ownership has improved my whole outlook on life...once you've tasted a truly fine wine, you can't go back to the grocery store stock! And then you hold those standards in every other aspect of your life!

And as far as firearms...I believe in the right to bear arms. Although I don't believe I will ever own or maintain any firearms (might change that opinion when my daughter starts dating), I do marvel the technology involved in the design of firearms, both classic and cutting edge.

Too bad this topic has turned into such a flame war...

#28 09-23-2002, 10:47 PM

I think you have to smoke the tea leaves for that effect. OK, OK I am JUST kidding!! Just trying to lighten up this thread a bit more.

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I feel that MB ownership has improved my whole outlook on life...once you've tasted a truly fine wine, you can't go back to the grocery store stock! And then you hold those standards in every other aspect of your life!

Definitely worth quoting. Being brought up Catholic (perhaps not as much as the mindset of our community), I used think it was selfish to spend such money on "wants." However, I have felt the same way as G-benz just quoted. Owning a Benz has moved me to the next level of expectations and makes me say, "why not me too?" in every aspect of life. Meaning be the best person you can be. It's not a sin to do your best and expect the best. Don't be afraid to put your pedal to the floor in life(as long as your not in traffic!!!)