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mikemover · #76 10-16-2003, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by narwhal
You never answered the question about the kid who's dad ods on o. c.

?? I don't remember that one...refresh my memory, please.

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Originally posted by narwhal
...you waive your rights of consent when you accept the "privilege" to drive a vehicle that can kill people.

Really? Hmmm...I don't know if I like that or not...I'll have to give it some thought... Is that in the fine print when you get a driver's license? Or is it actually a state or federal law? Either way, people need to be made more aware that they are "agreeing" to such waivers.

Mike

mikemover · #77 10-16-2003, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by narwhal
Reread, Mike. I stated in my post that my term was recreational, I didn't mean to imply any meaning you attach to the word, but was creating a distinction, where obviously one exists. Are kids harmed when their single father od's on oxycontin and dies in front of them. You are arguing this point just to argument's sake now. You take the position that the government can't tell someone not to do certain drugs, but can tell Thrillbilly not to steal your music off of the internet?

OK, I missed this one earlier.

Kids are harmed when a father dies of ANYTHING...does that mean we're not going to allow fathers to ever leave the house? It's more idiot-proofing again, and I am VEHEMENTLY against such things. We can't protect EVERYONE from EVERYTHING, including themselves!

Yes, the government should not tell you what you may put or not put into your body. It's your body, your life, your health, your morals, your decision. There is ALWAYS a DEFINITE, individually identifiable victim--the OWNER--when you steal music, or anything else. There is NOT a victim when you simply ingest a substance. The act of taking a substance, ANY substance, should not be criminalized. The two are not comparable in that way at all.

Mike

mikemover · #78 10-16-2003, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by SP0CK
-MM

This scenario works fine for me however, legalizing emotionally disturbing substances is infringing upon MY right to live in a relatively sane and safe society. It doesn't need to get any worse. It IS infringing on my rights to increase potential dangers by allowing psychotic drugs to be legalized. Mike this IS why we have laws and why certain aspects of government are needed voted by and for the people. Plain and simple. We are not going to agree on this one.

You have a point...to a degree...

But you are assuming that drugs make ALL people behave in this way, and they do not. Just like alcohol does not automatically turn all people into drunken, school-bus-ramming idiots. Those who cannot "handle their drugs" are in the minority, much to the disdain of the "War on Drugs" crowd. As with anything radically new, there would be problems initially...but problems can, and would, be ironed out.

Mike

Botnst · #79 01-29-2004, 05:46 PM

Two Florida legal organizations blast prosecutors in Limbaugh case

By John Pacenti, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 29, 2004

WEST PALM BEACH -- The Florida Attorney General's Office and the Florida Bar -- the two most powerful legal organizations in the state -- said Palm Beach County prosecutors misrepresented their advice in order to release confidential plea negotiations in the Rush Limbaugh investigation.

Both organizations said they felt they were used by State Attorney Barry Krischer. Limbaugh supporters called for an investigation or even the removal of Krischer from the prescription drug case involving one of America's most loved -- and hated -- radio personalities.

Wednesday's developments further illustrate the difficulty prosecutors face in investigating high-profile cases that deal with news coverage and the public interest, experts say.

Assistant State Attorney Ken Selvig, in a letter Wednesday to the attorney general's office, denied prosecutors were trying to justify releasing the records, saying they were simply asking if there was anything they missed in their research as to whether those records should be released.

At issue is a memo included in the release Friday of letters between prosecutors and Limbaugh's attorney Roy Black in which both sides tried to end the case through a plea deal. Krischer's office said in the memo it had consulted with the attorney general and the Florida Bar and felt, backed up by their advice, it was legally and ethically compelled to release the documents requested by the media.

But both the attorney general's office and the Bar rebut the memo.

"I don't think the Bar or any organization provides services as a straw man to hide behind," said Bar President Miles A. McGrane III. "In our opinion, misstatements were made about our role."

Assistant Attorney General Patricia Gleason, in a letter dated Wednesday to the state attorney's office, claimed Krischer's office had an ulterior motive.

"It seems to me that the purpose in contacting me about this issue may not have been to obtain impartial advice on an open government issue, but rather to use part of our conversation to justify your office's decision," she wrote. "This is disappointing to me personally and professionally."

Gleason said she told Selvig that a court might refuse to OK release of the documents based on "constitutional concerns." Joanne Carrin, attorney general office spokeswoman, said those constitutional concerns were due process and the right to a fair trial. Gleason said she recommended to Krischer's office that it seek advice from the Bar, notify the defense counsel and consider whether to seek help from a judge.

Selvig, in a two-page response to Gleason, said the office's decision to release the records was partly made after referring to the attorney general's public records law manual and determining there was no exemption for plea negotiations.

Selvig said Black "already knew about" the release of the plea negotiations. He said that according to the public records manual, a judge couldn't intervene in the matter.

Selvig also said Black should have been more clear that the negotiations discussed in the letters were confidential, even though they are noted as such.

The attorney general's office, among its many duties, assists local law enforcement agencies and prosecutes statewide crimes. The Florida Bar licenses all attorneys, investigates complaints about lawyers and advises them on ethics.

#80 01-29-2004, 06:27 PM

well damn, THAT changes everything. i move for immediate dismisal.

gotta go, i need milk. off to the ATM for $9950.

Botnst · #81 01-30-2004, 07:35 AM

Forget its the pundit-in-chief, forget any political motivations by the prosecutor's office for a sec.

Does this apparent abuse of the JUDICIAL system not give you pause?

B

mikemover · #82 01-30-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Botnst
Forget its the pundit-in-chief, forget any political motivations by the prosecutor's office for a sec.

Does this apparent abuse of the JUDICIAL system not give you pause?

B

People then to be less outraged at such abuses when results that they are in favor of are achieved.

Of COURSE that prosecutor has political motivations for what he's doing...He's a staunch Democrat, and what better glory for a Democrat than to be the one to de-throne the "great Republican mouthpiece and icon" Rush Limbaugh?!

Mike

#83 01-30-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Botnst
Does this apparent abuse of the JUDICIAL system not give you pause?

i wanna address these issues, i really do, BUT:

DAMN, im outta cash again, off to the ATM for another $9950

but wait, no sense in getting my shoes dirty, i'll just send esmeralda.