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MBlovr · #31 04-30-2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by G-Benz
Us Benz lovers would never conceive the thought of leaving the keys in the car under any circumstances...why? Because we "cherish" our cars, and with that, comes the care and thought processes that place a high priority on the cherished item.

This is part of my basis for believing that the guy could have been that distracted. On more than one occasion guys in my office have come in and reported their cars to be merrily running outside with the keys locked in them. Both these guys are very analytical type people who are prone to become deeply engrossed in their thoughts. One of them holds a PHD from Princeton.

MBlovr · #32 04-30-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by That Guy
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Would criminal prosecution punish this father anymore than the loss of his child is likely to? This man will have to live the rest of his life knowing that he is responsible for the death of his child; is jailtime really required to drive the point home?

I can't see how anyone could view going to jail as a worse punishment than living with the knowledge of being responsible for the death of your own child.

GermanStar · #33 04-30-2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by MBlovr
To me this is different. There is good reason to beleive that as a result of this mothers drug usage the child's death was part of a greater pattern of parental neglect.

In the original example it is being assumed that the parent has demonstrated a pattern of caring child rearing.

Yes, I would hope so -- circumstances are different in each case. I simply don't have enough information in regard to the Canadian case to have an opinion one way or the other, but I know enough to think that this meth-***** should do a nice stretch. God help her surviving kids -- I'm quite certain they'll be better off beyond her reach -- one can only hope that the damage already inflicted upon them isn't irreparable.

blackmercedes · #34 04-30-2004, 10:16 PM

Here's a thought...

What if some else had done this to the child? What if it were a nanny or babysitter that left the child in a car for the day? Would that person escape charges and jail time? Highly doubtful. Why do we allow parents to be negligent, but hold a stranger to a higher standard? Does that make any sense at all?

How is this case any different than if I paid too much attention to my coffee and my daughter wandered out onto the highway and was run over? I would be negligent in that case as well.

This child could not take any action on it's own behalf. None at all. Children are completely reliant on someone to keepsake their safety. This is PARENT JOB #1.

Hey, we're not perfect. My daughter falls on the sidewalk and skins her knee. She crashes her bike and falls off. Sometimes I let her take a jump I know she can't make. It's fine to take risks. If you don't let your child find their limits, they'll never reach past them. But, there is an etched in stone line, and it's the parent's responsibility to know where it is and manage it.

What would we accomplish by putting this man in prison? Could we punish him more? Doubtful. Do we need to protect the public? No. Are we "rehabilitating" him? No. The only reason is to make people, parents, think about their responsibility and the fact that it is a CRIMINAL act to let harm come to your children.

If I were this man's wife, forgiveness would never come.

mikemover · #35 04-30-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by blackmercedes
Here's a thought...

What if some else had done this to the child? What if it were a nanny or babysitter that left the child in a car for the day? Would that person escape charges and jail time? Highly doubtful. Why do we allow parents to be negligent, but hold a stranger to a higher standard? Does that make any sense at all?

How is this case any different than if I paid too much attention to my coffee and my daughter wandered out onto the highway and was run over? I would be negligent in that case as well.

This child could not take any action on it's own behalf. None at all. Children are completely reliant on someone to keepsake their safety. This is PARENT JOB #1.

Hey, we're not perfect. My daughter falls on the sidewalk and skins her knee. She crashes her bike and falls off. Sometimes I let her take a jump I know she can't make. It's fine to take risks. If you don't let your child find their limits, they'll never reach past them. But, there is an etched in stone line, and it's the parent's responsibility to know where it is and manage it.

What would we accomplish by putting this man in prison? Could we punish him more? Doubtful. Do we need to protect the public? No. Are we "rehabilitating" him? No. The only reason is to make people, parents, think about their responsibility and the fact that it is a CRIMINAL act to let harm come to your children.

If I were this man's wife, forgiveness would never come.

Excellent comments. Right on target.

I love it when we agree, bro! Doesn't happen often enough!

Mike

MBlovr · #36 05-01-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by blackmercedes
Here's a thought...

This child could not take any action on it's own behalf. None at all. Children are completely reliant on someone to keepsake their safety. This is PARENT JOB #1.

I do agree with this.

MBlovr · #37 05-01-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by mikemover
How can you say that was not a criminal act? Are YOU insane?

Mike

More than likely. I'm seriously thinking about buying a 2000 S500 on Ebay.

mikemover · #38 05-01-2004, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by MBlovr
More than likely. I'm seriously thinking about buying a 2000 S500 on Ebay.

Yes, you are insane.

Mike

GermanStar · #39 05-03-2004, 05:09 PM

The thing that strikes me and many others, I imagine, is that no good can come from either action or inaction at this point. It's a quandary that's so tragic it makes you want to weep. Put her on trial for negligence. IMHO, leaving those children unattended for that length of time qualifies as negligence. Still, what good comes from criminal punishment? Is she a threat to society? Does someone need retribution? Is rehabilitation required? Does anyone actually believe that it would have some deterrent value? Still, that being said, there's a part of me that wants her to pay for what she did. I don't know what I want out of this. I just want it to have not happened in the first place.

mikemover · #40 05-03-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by GermanStar
The thing that strikes me and many others, I imagine, is that no good can come from either action or inaction at this point. It's a quandary that's so tragic it makes you want to weep. Put her on trial for negligence. IMHO, leaving those children unattended for that length of time qualifies as negligence. Still, what good comes from criminal punishment? Is she a threat to society? Does someone need retribution? Is rehabilitation required? Does anyone actually believe that it would have some deterrent value? Still, that being said, there's a part of me that wants her to pay for what she did. I don't know what I want out of this. I just want it to have not happened in the first place.

If she was imprisoned, at least it would prevent her from breeding again, and having MORE offspring to treat with such negligence!

Mike

GermanStar · #41 05-03-2004, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by mikemover
If she was imprisoned, at least it would prevent her from breeding again, and having MORE offspring to treat with such negligence!

Mike

I'm with you there. I'm all for court-enforced sterilization, as a matter of fact.

mikemover · #42 05-03-2004, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by GermanStar
I'm with you there. I'm all for court-enforced sterilization, as a matter of fact.

Yup, I'm down with that! Rapists, child molesters, and irresponsible dumb$h!t parents should be at the top of the list!

Mike

GermanStar · #43 05-03-2004, 07:45 PM

I agree -- in addition to sterilizing sex offenders, there are lots of people out there that present no real danger to society except to their own kids. There are thousands of social workers in this country who would verify the frightening extent of that truth.