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Old 11-30-2004, 07:31 PM
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Should I purchase this 86 560SEL?

A freind of mine recently purchashed an 86 560 and has offered the car to me for very cheap (300 dollars) The problem is at the very least it needs a new starter, the car is not currently running. It has 213k miles and I have no idea on the maintainence history. The car is silver with a silver leather interior. It has a slight rust problem with the rear inside door seams, trunklid, and bumpers. I've read your forum archives and am worried about the transmission and timing belt. Really it seems like a great deal if I could find some records on the maintainence history of the car, but personaly I think it has not been well maintained over the years. I'm really thinking I should avoid this car or at the most fix it and do a quickturnaround on the car.

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Old 11-30-2004, 07:34 PM
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Leave it alone and spend the money you would spend fixing it on one in good condition. You cannot begin to imagine how much fixing those problems are going to be.
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Old 11-30-2004, 08:07 PM
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It would make a good parts car, you can buy real nice clean low mileage 560SEL's for $5k-$8k. Fixing that one up can quickly add up to $10k+.
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:14 PM
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I agree... it would make a nice parts car. Either use it to fix up another one, or you can unbolt more than $300 worth of parts for some extra cash. Question is, do you have the time and place.
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:59 PM
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300 dollars i'd would buy look it over then decide i would bet the worst that could happen would be to make your 300 into 1000$. and who knows you might find some querk on 10cent item is all it needs.
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Old 12-01-2004, 12:37 AM
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A low-mileage well-documented car is no guarentee either. I bought a '88 560SEL no rust, with 68,000miles and is so clean on the inside that it still has the new car/leather smell. Also I had full records of its maintainance at the dealership from where it was purchased near Bedford Hills NY. Of course it turns out that their mechanics aren't qualified to work on a mercedes, much less a lawnmower and I make that statement because:

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A right side head-gasket with a parts# sticker still on it obstructing the bead

Cheap oil changed requently is forgivable, however the sticker is not. Besides, based on the condition of the oil sludge, I'd say the PO was getting screwed by the dealership. Now you may ask why I know the gasket had the sticker on it when it was sandwiched between the head and the block? Because I'm rebuilding the top end of the motor as we speak... its been my weekend project.

I bought this car becuase it had low mileage and the body is in great condition. The wood is perfect as is the dash. The only blemish is the obligitory hole in the leather on the left side of the driver's seat and some fading due to sun. Of course in the first 3 days I owned the car I put more miles on it than it had driven in any of the prior 4 years (OrigOwner died and left it to daugher who kept it for several years before selling it to me).

before I go into a long tirade, I'll sum up. There are no guarentees by going low-mileage, its all looking at it and making a gut call. The trick is educating yourself in what to look for. I would probably walk away simply becuase of the car-cancer aka rust. I know an engine would cost me $500 to $3000 depending on the extent of the work needed (gaskets to full rebuild) and a tranny could cost as much as $1500. Keep in mind these are my costs as a DIY'er. If you wanted a donor car for another 560, it sounds perfect, but if it is to be your first/only 560SEL then I'd walk.

Either way good luck!


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Old 12-01-2004, 09:38 AM
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Forget the get-rich scheme. Somebody walked away from this car for a reason. The chances of getting it to start and drive without further work are just about zero.

But it's always fun to gamble. You will be in it at least $450 to get it to turn over (starter is about $150). Then you may discover one or more unpleasant things about the engine, which could easily cost several hundred or several thousand more. Then if it will drive there are endless ways it could need more money.

So, decide what you are willing to lose and avoid the temptation to keep betting to cover your losses.

One thing you might do is put a socket (26mm?) and ratchet on the balancer bolt and see if the engine will turn a full two rotations (cw from the front). It would be a true bummer to buy and install a starter and find that the problem was a stuck engine.

Personally, if the engine will turn, I'd give it a shot.
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Old 12-01-2004, 12:13 PM
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I have decided since this car is owned by a friend of mine I'm going to make a deal with him. He'll remove the starter and I'll rebuild it if possible. That way if we can get the car started I can see the full extent of what else the vehicle may need and make a much better educated decision on what to do with it. And the idea of using it as a parts car also may be an option. Thanks again and this is a great forum!

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