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Old 09-01-2005, 01:02 PM
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93 300e M104 Start/Idle Problem Details

So...its been about 3 weeks since I put in the new plugs and some system cleanser and I decided I'd take them out to see if I could get help diagnosing the problem.

All 6 plugs are black and sooty on the spark ends. This time, there was no oil on them. Would someone have fixed a valve leak etc and just put the same older plugs back in?

The ignition wires that are tucked in behind the head and connect to the coils and the other 3 plugs were heavily taped and the insulation is splitting on a few of the wires. Under the black plate that covers the injection electronics I found very poor wiring conditions with insulation missing on almost every wire for at least a few inches here and there.

With the plugs in this condition...I was guessing there's a fuel problem...injector related...I could be wrong. I'm begining to wonder if its the wiring issues that are causing my problems. The car starts and runs fantastically when cold (sitting over night or allowed to cool in the shade for a few hours). It has great off the line acceleration and a normal idle.

Once the vehicle reaches operating temp (80 and above) or has been sitting in the sun for sometime...it becomes very difficult to start and requires some throttle to keep it going at first. The idle then immediately drops to just over 500 and it surges no matter what position the shifter is in. It's not a terrible surge (only 100 or so RPM) but when it surges a harsh vibration is sent through the car. Once beyond 1500 the car runs pretty well, with good responsiveness. I believe all of this could also be causing my transmission flare on 2-3 3-4 shifts. They tend to become harder the heavier I am on the throttle.

Would a new main harness replace these worn sections, or do I need to purchase a couple of individual harnesses for the ignition and injection systems?

Sorry for the length and possible redundancy, some new info was brought to my attention and I believe it may not be the O2 sensor and such. All help is appreciated. Thanks

PS: Sorry if the pics are bad-they're from my phone since the Mrs has the camera right now.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:40 PM
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At minimum, you need to replace your engine wiring harness, coil wires, coil supressor boots, and spark plugs.

Only use the plain, non-resistor, Bosch copper plugs.

I would do a thorough search on posts by Arthur Dalton. He is surely the #1 authority on diagnosing problems with this engine / chassis.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:49 PM
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Only plugs I'll ever use in this thing...that's what I put in there 3 weeks ago...suprisingly reasonable at the dealer...but even they can't gouge you on a spark plug I suppose...
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Old 09-01-2005, 06:59 PM
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I would definitely replace the engine wiring harness. They were made from a biodegradable material to be more eco-friendly. Although the Germans' hearts were in the right place, the idea was not meant to be. The harness is $$$, and a dealer-only item. Last I heard it was about $650 (at least in CT).

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Old 09-01-2005, 07:33 PM
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Yeah...figured the harness would be shot at some point...I knew before purchasing about the harness issue and all the other common probs...but for the price I got the car I don't mind replacing it or repairing it for the time being with some new wiring and a solder gun/heatshrink tubing...we'll see though...and if that doesn't fix it...on to the injectors...Thanks...
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After replacing the wiring harness, I think your next step ought to be to check codes out of the DM to determine what is causing codes to pop up.

You might also need a throttle actuator, mass air meter, or might even have a simple vacum leak somewhere causing the idle fluctuation.

An injector problem would be the exception, not the rule.
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