Penetrating oils - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

anziani · #1 03-31-2010, 06:40 PM

I cannot vouch for this but found it interesting.

"Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ..................... 516 pounds

WD-40 .................. 238 pounds

PB Blaster ..............214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price"

Anziani

Chas H · #2 03-31-2010, 06:46 PM

That's very informative. I have been using Kroil and was not aware that LW was so close. I've also been using ATF-neat-for years but have never tried mixing it with acetone.

tinypanzer · #3 03-31-2010, 09:41 PM

I wonder what effects (if any) the ATF-acetone mix will have on a regular plastic spray bottle? I've been pondering what to do with this old ATF I have laying around.......

tivoliman · #4 03-31-2010, 09:58 PM

A few drops of ATF (no dilution) works wonders - and it stays in place very well.

Different topic - Getting a rubber hose of such on a connection - Isopropyl alcohol is a great lubricant for rubber, and it drys up afterward - leaving no residue

tinypanzer · #5 03-31-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tivoliman

A few drops of ATF (no dilution) works wonders - and it stays in place very well.

Different topic - Getting a rubber hose of such on a connection - Isopropyl alcohol is a great lubricant for rubber, and it drys up afterward - leaving no residue

Interesting. I've never tried alcohol because spit works so well. I'm sure it's of no concern in such small quantities, but alcohol does tend to dry out rubber by dissolving out the emollients used to keep it soft. That's why back in the day we used to clean tape deck capstans with alcohol, but the pinch roller was always cleaned with water or spit. Repeated cleanings with alcohol always made the rollers smooth and hard and lacking in grip.

beevly · #6 04-02-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tinypanzer

I wonder what effects (if any) the ATF-acetone mix will have on a regular plastic spray bottle? I've been pondering what to do with this old ATF I have laying around.......

Depends on what your spray bottle is made of.

In practice, acetone is routinely stored in LDPE wash bottles in the lab, in fact they are sold as "acetone wash bottles" and come labelled thusly.

mak · #7 03-31-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by anziani

I cannot vouch for this but found it interesting.

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
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Anziani

MOST informative ,can ATF be used in the fan motor bushing as a lubricant of choice?
mak

Chas H · #8 03-31-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mak

MOST informative ,can ATF be used in the fan motor bushing as a lubricant of choice?
mak

You betcha. ATF is a great lube for bushings. So is motor oil.

Gilly · #9 04-02-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

You betcha. ATF is a great lube for bushings. So is motor oil.

Yep, even tastes great on a salad and for slickin' yor hair back to get you noticed by the wimmin!

strelnik · #10 04-02-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilly

Yep, even tastes great on a salad and for slickin' yor hair back to get you noticed by the wimmin!

How much of an odor would the ATF+acetone mix have? Would you pass out using it in a small space?
I've got some stuff that GM used to use but is no longer available that they would not let them use indoors. It has xylene in it.

tinypanzer · #11 04-02-2010, 10:21 PM

It's not too bad, just like nail polish remover. Now Xylene is some nasty, nasty stuff.... A good way to dissolve your liver. MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) is also some horrible stuff but not as nasty as Xylene. Birth defects, yada yada.....

beevly · #12 04-03-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

How much of an odor would the ATF+acetone mix have? Would you pass out using it in a small space?
I've got some stuff that GM used to use but is no longer available that they would not let them use indoors. It has xylene in it.

It will be a lot stronger than nail polish remover since a good part of that is water. Acetone is *not* so toxic like the above mentioned solvents but you will still need ventilation. It's also very volatile and flammable.

88260e · #13 04-02-2010, 10:33 PM

I was doing a brake job for a friend, on his wifes 04 Explorer {worst brakes I had ever seen} anyway, the rear were APITA disk drum for E-brake thing so the driver side took some ten minutes worth of 3lb sledging to come off with W-D left the passanger side for today, I was a the store getting some brake fluid and cleaner saw the Blaster stuff grabbed it cuz it was cheep! The stuff worked GREAT!!! soaked it down let it sit 2 min two bangs with the hammer came right off!!! +1 for BLASTER!!!!!!!!

tbomachines · #14 04-03-2010, 10:55 PM

Another +1 for PB Blaster...I have found it to work much better at getting things loose than any of the other penetrants, though I haven't used ATF+acetone. It smells nice too.