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Thank you, 97 SL320.
So, is it possible that one of the fuel pumps is working enough to cause an audible fuel swishing sound at the fuel distributor....but, because the OTHER (2nd) fuel pump is not working and therefore not building up enough pressure (100 psi) to reach the proper psi to fire the injectors? I get a small squirt of fuel when the fuel-line fitting is cracked, after presurization, but not much. I guess that might mean that at least the accumulator is working then? And maybe one fuel pump is bad? ...then...,one pump is good, which is why it sounds like it's working? I can test them individually,now that they are out of the car. I will wait until some of the fuel fumes clear before sparking up the battery charger. Stale fuel really stinks! I can see now how each post on the pump is marked pos. and neg. So, 12 volts to the pos. post.? Does that fuel distributor need to be at a constant pressurization to work, then? Is that right? I don't know? Does the accumulator keep the pressure constant during the pulsing from the injectors constantly firing off some of the pressure? Then would the fuel pressure regulator keep certain that only 100psi goes to the distributor? Is the f.p regulator the small can (similar to the accumulator, but smaller) up next to the fuel distributor itself? I was also reading about these check-valves located at each end of the pumps....I wonder what would happen, if one of those check valves stuck closed? How are they tested? What is the purpose of the check-valves at the fuel pumps? Is there suppossed to be 2 of those c\valves then? I can see how they are piggybacking one pump, to the other, "supercharging the psi, as you said above". It is obvious the way they are plumbed, makes sense, now that you mentioned it. What are the insides of these fuel pumps made of? Could we bench test them and run some marvel mystery oil through to wash the varnishy fuel out of them? Last edited by macdoe; 06-12-2014 at 03:44 AM. |
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At the top of all of this, sparks + fuel + oxygen = Boom.
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Dig around for a "How Bosch CIS / K Jet works" manual. Some of the Bosch factory sites have these for free. It will answer lots of questions. Quote:
Accumulator is just there to hold pressure during hot soak / allow for quick starts. The only failure mode is the diagram fails allowing fuel to leak to the rubber hose side ( it is "t" ed into the rubber hose leading to the fuel tank. Car should at least start even with a leaking accumulator. Quote:
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Old fuel is a mess, you might have to rig up a external fuel tank, fresh fuel mixed with carb cleaner and hot wire the pump to let things circulate for a while. ( engine off ) just be sure to disconnect injector lines and route them to a can so you don't hydra lock the engine. You can also blow air through the injectors then use spray carb cleaner in the inlet to let them soak. Lastly, the diagram in the fuel distributor fails, someone on e bay is making rebuild kits with detailed instructions. |
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We managed to hook the battery charger to each pump and they both run. I guess it is time to do a current draw test. I need to find out how to do this and what the specs are for these pumps. They are both Bosch....one is part#0 580 254 950
014 made in Germany 688040021 The other is part#0 580 254 950 014 made in Germany 688070009 Car is 1988 420sel |
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Really great info there. I wiill try to find that manual. Thanks.
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The car I am working on has only been sitting since the problem happened with the lifters which required a cam change. After the cam change, I backed it out and when it was put into drive, started bogging everytime I gave it some gas. I hobbled it to where it sits now. I went back the following day and it would'nt even start. I had a thread going, where i thought i had made a mistake with the cam swap, but am now thinking it is a fuel issue.
Sorry for the confusion, but i had two other 420 sel's parts cars, that i got spare pumps out of, in case the one we are working on had a bad pump. My spare cars sat for a very long time. The spares have all been removed from their respective cars....however, each pump still had fuel in them that poured out. I now sit with 6 pumps total sitting on the bench, including the pumps from the car in question. I tested both pumps from the car we are working on...hooking it up to a battery charger, and they run. I would like to do a current draw test that the o.p was talking about. |
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Firstly I tested the pumps that came out of the car we are trying to get running again, which both happen to run with power applied. 1st got 1.1 and the other got 1.2.
Then i tested 2 of these spares that had been sitting with old fuel. One DID turn on with power applied and went from 1.3 to 5 and as the numbers increased the pump slowly shut off at 5. I disconnected and applied power to the second spare. I got no function, so I did a current draw test on that one and got 6.98. I could feel it vibrate but no function. What does this mean? I don't know since i don't have specs for the pumps...but through testing these 4 pumps...it appears that a higher number is no good and the pumps that came out of the car are in fact good???? I used the multimeter setting 10a and tested the pumps directly to the terminals on the pumps themselves since they are all out of the cars on the bench. Anyone know what numbers these pumps should be giving if they are good? |
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Both pumps are the same, the 688070009 ish number is a date code or something like that. No idea what 014 is. The pump will have a low amp draw if you test out of car since it isn't pushing against anything. Do a amp draw test when everything is put back together, they should have about the same draw. Pumps generally fail in a no run mode, sometimes they shear the coupling between the motor and pumping element. In that case the amp draw will be low and motor speed fast. |
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