Biodieseler threatened with felony charges! - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Tymbrymi · #1 03-08-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spark3542

I'm baffled that the tone of several posts from Forced is that "Diesel Benzes were designed for diesel and no other fuels should be considered" (to paraphrase). Yet his signature is full of mods, up to and including Methanol injection. Does anyone else see the irony?

I think he is acting like a troll. Saying something he knows will get everyone in the discussion all riled up.

He is very knowledgeable/helpful on topics not pertaining to biodiesel though...

justinperkins · #2 03-08-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tymbrymi

I think he is acting like a troll. Saying something he knows will get everyone in the discussion all riled up.

He is very knowledgeable/helpful on topics not pertaining to biodiesel though...

Yes the comment was bait for sure. I almost added a reply saying something to the effect of "don't take the bait", but then I was so pissed about the comment that I took the bait

Mistress · #3 03-08-2007, 04:53 PM

There is more to this than meets me eyes...

justinperkins · #4 03-08-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

There is more to this than meets me eyes...

Ahh yes, it goes very deep. We should take it to OD and analyze Lance.

What are you doing in here anyway Mistress?

nerys · #5 03-08-2007, 06:04 PM

SirNik84: that will not work sadly. you see that would make it an illegal tax.

First you would be paying it twice (since they CLEARLY would not remove the fuel tax they would want both)

But then currently its an excise tax. this means it taxes WHAT YOU USE if you do not use it you do not pay it.

To make it an apportioned tax is very different (like your state income tax)

You would then be "adding" effectively to your state tax. What happens to the person with the electric car or the person who gets 50mpg and are paying the same tax as the person who gets 8mpg with there motorhome.

They simply should not be bothering these people. as long as they are not selling is distributing the fuel they are breaking no laws and the state critters need to back off.

That would be like charging you a fine for adding some "additive" to your fuel you bought from pepboys I mean your buying 16oz less gas for that tank your sticking it to the state for 16oz of tax.

My taxes pay for the road. Accusing me of tax evasion for not paying for gasoline is like accusing someone of tax evasion for using a bicycle or for not paying ENOUGH taxes because they use a motorcycle and get 50mpg or better.

Its silly and they know it someones got a big stick up there butts and needs someone to grab that stick and twist it a bit. Wake them up.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

sophie2 · #6 03-08-2007, 06:13 PM

Does not make sense to me. The energy from the typical hybrid all comes from the gasoline used to charge to batteries. The running on electricity statement is misleading, unless it is a plug-in hybrid.

ChefHugh3 · #7 03-08-2007, 06:20 PM

We all should not forget, the inventor of the diesel engine, Dr. Diesel, designed it with the prime fuel being vegetable oil produced by the farmers. The first tree hugger and alternative fuel forefather.

nerys · #8 03-08-2007, 06:49 PM

thats because thats not where it gets most of its E from.

Regenerative Braking is where it gets most of its E from. otherwise there would be little benefit to running a hybrid. :-) ie everytime they stop they recover some of that energy (a lot actually its really impressive) which reduces the demand when they GO again.

also the IC's are instant on. they are shut off when at a standstill when you GO if there is enough E you just go on electric and then at around 25mph the IC kicks in to provide the extra go power. when you "coast" or brake to a stop the IC turns off and the regenerative braking kicks in so your now not using any gas and your recovering E from the regen system.

Pretty cool the problem is 50mpg blows. a 25 year old rabbit gets that and any modern vw or mb diesel can also get that.

Just wait till they can make a diesel instant on (they are working on it) then you will see some truly impressive mileage. if they do not intentionally cripple it. 150mpg should be easy with diesel and new battery tech.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

justinperkins · #9 03-08-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nerys

thats because thats not where it gets most of its E from.

Regenerative Braking is where it gets most of its E from. otherwise there would be little benefit to running a hybrid. :-) ie everytime they stop they recover some of that energy (a lot actually its really impressive) which reduces the demand when they GO again.

also the IC's are instant on. they are shut off when at a standstill when you GO if there is enough E you just go on electric and then at around 25mph the IC kicks in to provide the extra go power. when you "coast" or brake to a stop the IC turns off and the regenerative braking kicks in so your now not using any gas and your recovering E from the regen system.

Pretty cool the problem is 50mpg blows. a 25 year old rabbit gets that and any modern vw or mb diesel can also get that.

Just wait till they can make a diesel instant on (they are working on it) then you will see some truly impressive mileage. if they do not intentionally cripple it. 150mpg should be easy with diesel and new battery tech.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

Yup, and to add. You can get a TDI Lupo or Polo that get in the 60-80MPG range.

sophie2 · #10 03-09-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nerys

thats because thats not where it gets most of its E from.

Regenerative Braking is where it gets most of its E from. otherwise there would be little benefit to running a hybrid. :-) ie everytime they stop they recover some of that energy (a lot actually its really impressive) which reduces the demand when they GO again.

All the electrical energy still originates from the GASOLINE in a hybrid, unless you only go downhill or downwind. The regenerative braking is just an energy transfer process from the car's kinetic energy into the battery.

Taxing the electrical use of a hybrid still does not make sense, only gasoline provides the source of energy.

justinperkins · #11 03-09-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sophie2

All the electrical energy still originates from the GASOLINE in a hybrid, unless you only go downhill or downwind. The regenerative braking is just an energy transfer process from the car's kinetic energy into the battery.

Taxing the electrical use of a hybrid still does not make sense, only gasoline provides the source of energy.

There is such a thing as a plugin electric vehicle and also plugin hybrids.

sophie2 · #12 03-09-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

There is such a thing as a plugin electric vehicle and also plugin hybrids.

Yes, my original post said "typical hybrid". For a plug-in hybrid, the source of the electricity is important to consider... was it from your solar panels (not taxed) or was it from the grid? Energy grid tax revenue probably does not support the roadway costs.....

aklim · #13 03-09-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nerys

That would be like charging you a fine for adding some "additive" to your fuel you bought from pepboys I mean your buying 16oz less gas for that tank your sticking it to the state for 16oz of tax.

My taxes pay for the road. Accusing me of tax evasion for not paying for gasoline is like accusing someone of tax evasion for using a bicycle or for not paying ENOUGH taxes because they use a motorcycle and get 50mpg or better.

I don't follow your argument. For the additive, I am adding 16oz of stuff to a tank (15-50 gals) diesel or gasoline. How is this an additive when you are maybe adding 16oz of D2 to a tank (15-50 gals) of whatever it is?

Supposedly the gas tax, diesel tax is for the highway fund. Ag fuel is not taxed which is why ag fuel is dyed red and NOT supposed to be in your tank.