does anyone in this forum have a diagram on how to hookup a hydrogen generator to a 84 300d turbo diesel? which uses biodiesel also?

Um, save the electrical load on the alternator, and store the Hydrogen generator on the shelf?
(Conservation of energy, and the efficiency of converting mechanical energy to electrical in the alternator alone, loosing proposition.. )


As to how to install one, I've never seen one. I don't want to be too much of a jerk about it, but the 'kits' that are out there seem to be based on some seriously faulty logic and theories.
If you do go ahead and install it, please give us some good comparisons of mileage and emissions, before and after. (averaged over time, and the like?)


Best of luck!

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Don't waste your time. HHO generators are inefficient and don't make anywhere near the claims internet salesmen want you to believe.

better off leaving it off the car and making the hydrogen in the back yard. install a tank that will slowly inject it in the car. you can make the hydrogen in the back yard with the electricity idea i forgot what it is called but that would be a better idea IMO.

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Do whatever you want. Your never going to make enough hydrogen to hurt your engine. All that will happen is you getting angry that it didnt work. Or, you believing that it worked when your still only getting 22mpg

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So let me understand this a bit more...

Fill a jar with water, run electricity to the jar with a coil submerged in water+baking soda, and hook a vac line into the intake which sucks in the hydrogen fumes which are being formed at he top of the jar.

Im a veg oil guy so Im all for stickin it to the man, but has anyone actually tried this? Would you really be able to generate enough H like this to even make a 1mpg impact?

And what about possibility of hydrolocking the motor? Whats to keep the water itself from becoming ingested in the motor? I cant imagine incompresible liquid being good for a 22:1 compression engine.

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Mythbusters showed it does not work, on a gasser. They had to spray liquid hydrogen into the carb to make it run. A backfire made them stop.

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13 VW JSW 2.0 TDI 193K, Tuned with DPF and EGR Delete.

99 W210 E300 Turbo Diesel, chipped, DPF/Converter Delete. Still needs EGR Delete, 232K

90 Dodge D250 5.9 Cummins/5 speed. 400K

Gone and still missed...1982 w123 300D, 1991 w124 300D

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Good analogy w/Escher

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70's Southern Pacific #5608 Fairmont A-4 MOW car

13 VW JSW 2.0 TDI 193K, Tuned with DPF and EGR Delete.

99 W210 E300 Turbo Diesel, chipped, DPF/Converter Delete. Still needs EGR Delete, 232K

90 Dodge D250 5.9 Cummins/5 speed. 400K

Gone and still missed...1982 w123 300D, 1991 w124 300D

Why not just feed it into the aircleaner intake? All that air goes into the engine, and the generator won't produce enough H2 & O2 gas to displace all the air the engine sucks in. As a side benefit, you don't' have to worry about water getting into the engine, although the micro-size droplets it is creating might be part of the benefit.

Keep good records of your fuel mileage results to see if there is actually any benefit. Don't expect anywhere close to what the sales folks told you, but there very well could be some real measurable benefit.

Ignore all the "its not thermodynamically valuable" comments. They are right, but there's a lot more going on in a diesel engine than simple thermodynamic conversion of fuel to oxidized fuel and work. More than half the energy in the fuel is being wasted, for starters.

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Broadband: more lies faster.

It might make a 1mpg impact but it would be a 1mpg loss. Electrolysis is very inefficient. It takes more energy to drive the alternator to make the electricity to do the electrolysis than you will get back from burning the hydrogen as fuel.

simplified math of cycle.

electrical generating efficiency of alternator roughly 93%
Electrolysis efficiency70% ( a very high value obtained through actual experiments )
Diesel cycle efficiency 54% (highest ever observed in actual engine)

now lets take 100joules of mechanical energy and run it through the hydrogen generation cycle.

100 x .93 = 93 joules of electrical energy
93 x .7 = 65.1 joules of hydrogen energy

now lets run that through the diesel cycle

86 x .54 = 35.154 joules of mechanical energy

So in the end the most you will ever get back about 35.154 percent of the energy you expended making the hydrogen.

Conclusions: Losing proposition.

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a buddy of mine wants to build one to run "brown water" on his car... I told him not to bother, but did a little research, and found that the hydrogen can aid the combustion efficency of the diesel burn... similar to what propane does when it is injected into a diesel... without the cooling effects... MAAAAAYYYYYBe 2% improvement in economy with the setup... I seriously doubt it though...

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They don't work, don't waste your time.

You need a ton of power to split a water molecule, more than your car can provide. Thats one of the big problems yet to be solved with fuel cells, they have yet to figure out a way to get hydrogen easly. Splitting it from water is a good way, but it takes so much engery its not worth it.

The first person to figure out how to split a water molecule with little power is going to make a fortune...

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He will also probably win the nobel prize for physics for disproving the second law of thermodynamics after about 175 years.

Do a little more research, propane is just an additional fuel. It does not alter the combustion of the Diesel engine unless too much is injected and the flame fronts collide after the propane preignites.