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Old 09-09-2004, 07:34 AM
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I think I'll keep my oil changed every 3000. Not that I'm not open to new ideas but.....

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Old 09-09-2004, 11:53 AM
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I think this filter would work well with the oe filter in keeping the oil cleaner. A roll of tp costs what? Maybe a dollar? So changing the tp every 2,500 is pocket change. Even if you don't want to extend drain time, these filters could benifit you.


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Old 09-09-2004, 07:13 PM
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I think this filter would work well with the oe filter in keeping the oil cleaner. A roll of tp costs what? Maybe a dollar? So changing the tp every 2,500 is pocket change. Even if you don't want to extend drain time, these filters could benifit you.
kmaysob don't get bent out of shape I'm 19 to btw.
hatterasguy,
i will agree with you about that. cleaner is better and adding that to the oe would work well. if i were gonna do that i would still change it at the recommended times.

im 16 by the way.
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Old 09-09-2004, 08:18 PM
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Had to happen. I'm just surprised nobody is suggesting bleeding a little water into the injectors to double the gas mileage.

I gotta say, though, that having seen my share of how well the old stuff worked, I would never put a toilet paper filter in-line with the oil cirulation system of an MB. It's probably like anything else, though, a guy with that level of interest will probably make it work.

And I love the seque, when they say "Later, when I rebuilt the engine..."
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Old 09-10-2004, 09:50 PM
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i have seen the 300D turbo described as a 300DT

By whom? only one question is relavent - is it OE or not?


we all know a TD is a wagon and a 300D is non turbo -

We all know? Ha, son. Since when is a 300D ONLY a non turbo? ALL the 300D (domestic) from 82-85 were turbo'd and they are called what.... oh yeah- 300D. Nowhere does Mercedes call them 300DT. If this is not true then post a OE document otherwise, please.

you joined 85 posts ago... welcome son .. and have a nice day. see ya

And therefore, what- my statements are false? I have no wish to bait you in a arguement- but I've done my research and you, all thousand + posts, have not. If I am wrong, let me know with facts, please.
just the facts...

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Old 09-11-2004, 01:25 AM
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Really the final word on oil changes and whether of not a by-pass filter "works" is an oil analysis done by a reputable company. Oil changes at X miles is a suggestion by the OE that your oil needs changes because other engines' oil needed changing at that time/mileage frame on average. Your particular engine may need more frequent changes, or less frequent- but you are only guessing without a oil analysis- and that is the bottom line mechanically speaking. If a bypass filter, by oil analysis, shows that the oil that's in your engine continues to be within parameters of new oil, then changing the oil seems a moot point. As far as still changing it or installing a bypass filter some of the advantages in the long run are reduced oil/filter costs, oil disposal costs, reduced maintanence costs (timing chain stretch is reduced) and any time associated with these. We run oil analysis on all the large MTU (roughly translated- Mercedes Turbine Union) engines in the vessels I work on. The smallest is 900 HP, the largest is 1930 HP, in the V2000 series- the smallest of MTU engines. When the engines costs exceed $300,000; it is a valuable tool for any diesel mechanic, and the same logic/methods apply to small automotive diesel engine with regards to this discussion.
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Old 09-11-2004, 07:43 AM
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just the facts...

the fact is that you have worn me out - i told you that other handles were taken when i joined. MB does not use that exact lettering. plenty of other people do. just do a search

isn't that enough for you? hope you're happy dude you won...
please keep on doing what you're doing. u can analyze your oil to your heart's content.
i'm gone. thanks a lot.
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Old 09-11-2004, 03:16 PM
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[QUOTE=Hatterasguy]Lets see real world on a 606. Oil tested every 10k miles came back ok, for the last 120k. Engine has 316k on it and is in perfect condition. /QUOTE]

Hatterasguy, you need a control to put this statement in perspective. What's the condition of 300K mile 606s that had regular oil and filter changes?

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MB diesels have proven they can go 300K, 400K, 500K etc. with regular oil changes using fairly cheap dino oil.
Quite true. I'm sure the million mile MB Diesels don't have additional filters or the million mile claims would have been disputed.

That said, an additional filter shouldn't hurt.

If I were doing this, I'd look for a way to jam open the oil cooler thermostat and have the oil cooler lines service the external filter. It should be a simple matter to fit an external thermostat to keep the oil cooler functional. Of course, who wants to futz with the oil cooler lines?

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At least it is an oil filter thread and not an oil thread, just don't step over the line.

I may want a tp filter for veg oil.
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Old 09-11-2004, 04:55 PM
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Really the final word on oil changes and whether of not a by-pass filter "works" is an oil analysis done by a reputable company. Oil changes at X miles is a suggestion by the OE that your oil needs changes because other engines' oil needed changing at that time/mileage frame on average. Your particular engine may need more frequent changes, or less frequent- but you are only guessing without a oil analysis- and that is the bottom line mechanically speaking. If a bypass filter, by oil analysis, shows that the oil that's in your engine continues to be within parameters of new oil, then changing the oil seems a moot point. As far as still changing it or installing a bypass filter some of the advantages in the long run are reduced oil/filter costs, oil disposal costs, reduced maintanence costs (timing chain stretch is reduced) and any time associated with these. We run oil analysis on all the large MTU (roughly translated- Mercedes Turbine Union) engines in the vessels I work on. The smallest is 900 HP, the largest is 1930 HP, in the V2000 series- the smallest of MTU engines. When the engines costs exceed $300,000; it is a valuable tool for any diesel mechanic, and the same logic/methods apply to small automotive diesel engine with regards to this discussion.
I worked on boat for a summer and we had to change oil between jobs. The nature of the work was such that we couldn't shut-down to change oil. We were taught to watch the film the the oil developed as it ran down the dipstick to make sure we didn't push our luck too far. Those were 16V71 Detroit Diesels and 6V71 generators.
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Old 09-11-2004, 05:46 PM
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Those were 16V71 Detroit Diesels and 6V71 generators.
What sort of work was this boat doing that needed gensets that big?

I don't think I've seen a boat 120' or smaller that had anything generating electrical power that was significantly bigger than a 2-71...and most of the over-120' boats had something bigger than 16V-71's turning the screws...
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Old 09-11-2004, 08:58 PM
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The Warden large ships use those for bow/sterm thurster's.

Sixto I will cut off my arm before I mess with my nice new$$$ oil cooler lines!


MTUpower why are you giving Bob a hard time over his handle? The use of the 300DT name is common on the forum, pissing off senior members isn't usually a productive thing.
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Old 09-11-2004, 09:14 PM
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The Warden large ships use those for bow/sterm thurster's.
I've seen 6-71 powered bow thrusters, but nothing bigger (granted, that was on a 180' buoy-tender, which was powered by two EMD train engines, hooked to two gensets, hooked to a big electric motor which directly drives the single screw)...
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Old 09-11-2004, 09:17 PM
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Their was a show on the History channel or maybe TLC that was on super tankers and other large ships. I am 90% sure that they said 12 and 16 cylinder diesel's were used as thruster engines.

I have also heard of big diesel's being used as generators, although at the moment where escapes me, big factory maybe?
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What sort of work was this boat doing that needed gensets that big?

I don't think I've seen a boat 120' or smaller that had anything generating electrical power that was significantly bigger than a 2-71...and most of the over-120' boats had something bigger than 16V-71's turning the screws...
That was a 110' steelhull seismographic survey boat. It was a converted supply vessel. We dragged a sparker off of the stern that set-up the shockwave for the hydrophones to read. At night it looked like underwater lightning. We ran both generators when the sparker was going. No need to wear a life vest on the deck, except to help find the body. They told us if we started up the sparker when the divers below flag was flying we could be charged with a homicide.

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