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Old 05-23-2005, 11:28 PM
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Back about 20 years ago they stopped having the engines rotate in a different direction, now the trans do it.

Personaly I have never seen an automotive engine put into a boat that wasn't a complete hack job. Most burn tons of fuel and blow up in short order.

Good luck to him, they would be better off with a used set of Yanmars or Cummins B series.

Come resale time I wouldn't touch a boat with such a conversion with a 10ft pole.

Those engines should be running just south of 4k rpm at extremly high loads. Higher then they will ever see in normal street use.
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Old 05-23-2005, 11:36 PM
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Don't the transmissions he used have a 1.5 output ratio? Then at 4,000rpm the prop would be going around 6000rpm! Do they really go that fast??! I don't really know about that stuff but it seems mighty fast for a propeller...
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Old 05-23-2005, 11:53 PM
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Actually it should be just the oposite. Since these engines really are kind of small for this boat, (200ft pounds or torque maybe?) they should be geared down quite a bit to take advantage of the higher rpm's they can acheive.

Racing cats can use gas turbines to spin "chopper" props at insane rpm's maybe 10k+.

Drambui(sp?) On Ice was docked at the yacht club a few years back. This one had a set of jet engines out of some chopper driving big drives with custom props. It sounded like a 747 taking off as they throttled up. Flames shooting out the back and a monster roaster tail. I think that boat could do 180+ knots.

Did you know only the bottom of the prop actually works? On a race boat you only want the bottom half in the water.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:00 AM
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Yeah those engines are definatley smaller than what it had before, but he's going to use waaaaay less fuel. The engines he took out were V8 Crusader Marine Engines like these: http://www.crusaderengines.com/classic.html Those monsters probably easily put out 250-300hp....and probably used plenty of gas in the processs A carburated 300hp engine??? Can just head port to port filling it back up.....
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:05 AM
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Those are just small 350's. They have been discontinued actually replaced by the 6.2's which is a better block.

Small blocks don't burn to much fuel, my guess for a pair of fuel injected small blocks in a boat like that maybe 15-20gph each. Depending on how you run it. A diesel should burn 1/2 as much fuel as a rull of thumb. But conversions such as this usually suck fuel.

This is what that boat needs:
http://boatdiesel.com/index.cfm?CFID=4558358&CFTOKEN=85315191&CFApp=19&S=DM&Manu=CUMMINS&CFIDC=NRU2

Stupid messed up links, anyway I was talking about the 155B and the 220B. Afaik the 155B is a drop in for small blocks, the 6 cylinder may require more room.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:09 AM
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I think that's a facsinating project and I am jealous. I have heard that marine engines are a league apart from automotive engines, even though the blocks are standard GM 350's, 454's and ford 351's. I've heard comparisons about how an auto engine is designed to handle short periods of even 50% throttle, whereas a marine engine is designed to handle continuous-duty at 80%. But I'm just not sure about how the innards would be different. I can see improved cooling, ss valves, and vibration reduction measures, but not really sure how they'd alter the bearings or lubrication.

I somewhat think it's a bit of bunk and is meant to get people to buy marinized engines instead of automotive...
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:21 AM
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I somewhat think it's a bit of bunk and is meant to get people to buy marinized engines instead of automotive...
Well afaik with gas engines everything is different. Good marine engines are built like race engines with 4 bolt mains and stronger cranks and rods. The heads are completly different. Also the cooling and exhaust systems are completly different.

Companies like Mercury Marine and Crusader spend millions in R&D to build a strong engine.

A good comparision would be to take a 300D and attach a 2k pound trailer. Now run it at 4k rpm up a steep hill on a hot day for 6 hours.

btw GM got ride of the 350, 454, and 502 in 03 I think. Now they have the 8.1 and 6.2. Far better engines actually, they burn less fuel and last longer.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:22 AM
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I wouldn't hesitate to put a properly marinized OM616 into a small, displacement-hulled pocket trawler where it spent it's life running at 50% rated max output. But, I agree w/Hatterasguy, despite the workmanship, this project is doomed. Those engines were never designed to be running at max output, pushing a planing hull...and, there are waaaay too many ifs.

Did you notice something weird in the movie of both engines running? The Stbd engine doesn't have any water hoses connected to it.
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I wouldn't dare say it's doomed

I think the guy has probably spent many nights thinking this through and through. He's clearly got top-notch fabrication capability, marine engine understanding, diesel understanding, as well as geartrain understanding. I'm sure he also is well aware that these are automotive engines. So figure the engines were probably not that expensive and working on a boat is cheaper than therapy. He's probably geared the entire rig down and lightened it up as well. He doesn't need to carry nearly as much fuel, and those engines and geartrain probably weigh less than half what he took out.

If I was 20 miles offshore which would I prefer - a couple of carbureted big blocks from 1974, a hundred gallons of gasoline, distributors, points, and sparkplugs, or, a couple of MB TD's from the early 80's and 50 gallons of diesel?

When I was 14 I built a plywood boat and endured endless nay-sayers. when it finally made it to the water it sat perfectly and planed perfectly. I'll never criticize a DIY boatbuilder or anybody else with an unorthodox way of getting things done.
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