A more realistic system?

Patented device by Gerald Rowley replaces standard fuel injection system and carbureted systems for gasoline engines. Working prototype averages 40% less fuel consumption over a conventional fuel delivery system. In discussion with several interested parties to bring to the market.

The device is a bolt-on device which can be engineered to fix any size gasoline engine. The existing fuel delivery system can remain in place until the operating temperature of the VAPSTER is achieved which is in the range of 275F to 310F. When the optimum temp. is achieved the original fuel system is shut off and the VAPSTER system takes over. The system is designed for engines which run all day at a fixed RPM.

The device introduces the high octane fuel mixture into the air intake of the engine. So it doesn't matter if an engine has fuel injection or any other fuel system. It uses heat from the exhaust to heat the fuel and the mixture is passed through a throttle body which reduces the air a normal engine would use. The mixture is very lean so only 1/3 to 1/2 the amount of air is needed for combustion. So not only do you save fuel but air/oxygen. I know it is not the complete answer to the energy crisis but it would help enormously in reducing our oil import situation.

The tested design calls for an engine to run at a constant RPM so it would be best suited for hybrid engines, generators, pumping stations, generating plants, tractors, farm equipment, boat engines, etc. The device has a slowing mechanism built into the patent design by introducing misted water. But, this engineering requires money for further testing.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/VapSter/index.html


NOTE: "The system is designed for engines which run all day at a fixed RPM."

Brandon....I notice you have a sig' that reads...

" I love anything German engineered. "

Do you realy mean...everything ?

If your a youngster, I take that as read...but if you are older like me, I think your sig' needs ' editing.'
You probably don't remember the 2nd World War.

Just my personal observation you understand.....others might not .

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I try to leave the politics out of the situation.
I am very familar with the 2nd world war and my comment doesn't reflect the fact that the Germans were performing mass genocide.

I guess it can be construed to mean more than just physical objects (autmobiles, tooling, etc.) and could mean social uprisings. Not my intention but I guess I'll take it off anyway....

Oh, how true.

I will revise to include this boiler-plate to cover my tender rear...

"163 mpg from a bolt-on device, without modification of your engine, chassis, wheels, etc. is therefore a complete fabrication."

I will allow for such results from vehicles that are the product of ground-up design, engines in laboratory conditions, and one-off experimental vehicles, but I'm not buying one from a website.

Best Regards,
Jim

could not run front page application.....is the response i got.

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Since The Man is out to get this guy, his website is
registered through "Domains by Proxy, Inc." to avoid having
to put his name on the site. They are based in Scottsdale,
AZ. His domain resolves to an IP address assigned to
secureserver.net. Resolved, the server's address indicates
it is in the Mesa area. For such a paranoid dude, one
would think he would choose an operating system like Tin
Foil Hat Linux for security. Instead he selected Microsoft
Windows; yep, his website runs IIS 6.0. Its well
configured, but its still Windows, not the OS of choice for
the oppressed. That makes me not buy into the image this
guy is going for.
Out of bizarre curiosity, I'm going to run this guy's name
through LexisNexis and see what I come up with.

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Don't forget that VW has a Euro-only 3 cyl diesel that testers have gotten as much as 110MPG out of -- in a (small) production car with seats, glass. bumpers, etc. I'm sure they would be only too happy to pay $50 million for the technology to make that 200 MPG -- and really build the car.

I totally don't doubt the possiblity of it but on a 190D 80's production car....hmmm

The lighter speciality cars are where its at

Hi,

The original site is all busted up and I cannot see it. Just wanted to comment on somebody asking why making gasoline gaseous works well and why we don't see super efficient propane cars.

The nice thing about propane and natural gas engines is that they can be run very lean given the appropriate control system. A liquid fuel car generally cannot unless very good atomization happens - like in the Civic HX, VX and Toyota Echo. You need variable valve timing and a stratified charge head to get the velocities high at low rpm to simulate gaseous fuel, not to mention a special ECU that tunes out knock.

I'm not sure exactly why liquid fuels don't perform well in lean burn systems. It had something to do with the fact that you get max power on pump gas when the mixture goes rich because of the cooling effect of the fuel while this doesn't happen with natural gas. So running gaseous fuel allows you to get higher efficiency lean. I guess this is when efficiency is defined as the conversion of chemical energy into work. I know I'm not making sense because I don't quite understand it. Intuition tells me you would get the most efficient burn at stoichiometric equilibrium (neither rich nor lean) but I think that's where you get max heat, not max work. I remember these tidbits while helping NGK with the controller for the lean burn O2 sensor on the Civics back in the 90s. That car (Civic VX, HX) can get 40 mpg.

Any thermodynamics gurus out there? I was about to say this widgit maker is a fool till I remembered this. There are a lot of electric gensets running lean out there that use the Civic Hx sensor for control. It must work for gaseous stuff. But why doesn't his car knock?

Oh yeah, forgot that you can make a propane car do this, but I don't know of any conversion system that exploits the lean burn principle and uses a linear AFR sensor (like the special civics) for engine control, so that MAY be why we don't see super efficient propane conversions. You can look up lean burn conversion for gensets on google and find several people who make these setups that help efficiency...although not 1000 mpg!!! As I said, you can make slight improvements like an Echo or Civic Hx which over years of running a genset can be a handy chunk of change. I mean look at a Civic LX without lean burn, you get 5mpg less than the lean burn HX?

Oh yeah, and if you burn lean, your NOx goes to the moon, so I don't think you can do this and get less pollutants. I think that is one reason (along with knock) that Honda didn't go crazy with the lean burn concept. Incidentally, the Insight Hybrid uses this system too on the gas engine, but I wasn't around for that rev.

Cheers,
Yoko

Benz makes cheaper diesels...they just refuse to sell them to us...

I saw plenty of C200 CDI cars in italy...

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Sounds like the GEET stuff. The inventor was put in jail for something dealing with securities etc.

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a REASON? I'll give you two. 1. The first law of thermodynamics 2. The second law of thermodynamics.

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listen, look, .........and duck.

We just ordered a Jetta TDI. They called and said the car had arrived. Yesterday we took our trade in vehicle, an '84 Porsche 911 cabrio 98k miles mint, and they offered us $4K for it. No attempt to get the value up what so ever. With that insult and other comments the 'Boardwalk VW, Richardson tx' saleman made we got our money back and walked on the whole deal.
I ain't bending over this far for anyone.
Really chapped my a$$.
On the way home I noticed they had thrown their empty soda can in the passenger floor of the car.

No way I would EVER deal with Boardwalk VW in Richardson. I hope all VW dealers are not this way.

Sorry for the rant.

Oh man. I'd have hit the roof. Good for you to walk away, yikes.

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I'm from Missouri - the Show-Me state. The way I see it, this guy's claims would be very easy to verify or refute. Fuel up a car, drive it over a distance, refuel, and check the mpg. It's that simple. Anything else is pure B.S. - conspiracy theories included.

JUST DO IT. - I'll bet a month's pay that this guy is full of *****.

SteveM.

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