Specialized Indicator for IP Timing - Page 6 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Hit Man X · #76 03-15-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

.....you can.

Excellent, I'll have to rent that tool from the board and time both.

boneheaddoctor · #77 05-06-2006, 10:28 PM

So the RIV tool will work as long as you have that plug as in the line drawing...and not just that far fancier looking piece that shows up in the FSM manual http://ken.kdharris.net/kdhbenz/07-1-111.pdf ?

Brian Carlton · #78 05-06-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

So the RIV tool will work as long as you have that plug as in the line drawing...and not just that far fancier looking piece that shows up in the FSM manual?

If it has the plug in the line drawing, the RIV tool should work. It will work on all 603 engines and the later 617 engines.

There is a photo in the FSM in section 7.1.8 showing the addition of the flange and closing plug to the housing of the MW pump. It does look a bit fancier than the line drawing.

I can't explain the difference.

boneheaddoctor · #79 05-07-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

If it has the plug in the line drawing, the RIV tool should work. It will work on all 603 engines and the later 617 engines.

There is a photo in the FSM in section 7.1.8 showing the addition of the flange and closing plug to the housing of the MW pump. It does look a bit fancier than the line drawing.

I can't explain the difference.

I know the difference its very visible when you compare the line drawings with the FSM, no explaination needed...mine all have the simple allen sceaw there...the US market pumps do not have that part that protrudes as shown on that FSM. Having not seen an 84 or 85 pump or the Euro pump wasn't sure if it was an 84 and 85 issue or not.

The line drawing still represents the US pump quiet accurately.

C.Doner · #80 08-30-2006, 09:52 PM

I took the Riv unit to my local indy to see how he liked it . He liked it, and decided he needs one so I told him I would get the link for the tool. Anyone know where i can get one.I know Its been posted, I just cant find it for some reason.thanks

dieseldiehard · #81 08-31-2006, 12:41 AM

My friend ordered one from the local MB Dealership. It has a MB part number. He is a mechanic employed there and he received a discount, I don't know how much but probably significant.
I searched google and found this item which looks similar to the MB tool:
http://www.thepartsbin.com/cartools/speciality_tools-diesel_timing_tool_dynamic-d.html

gsxr · #82 08-31-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by C.Doner

I took the Riv unit to my local indy to see how he liked it . He liked it, and decided he needs one so I told him I would get the link for the tool. Anyone know where i can get one.I know Its been posted, I just cant find it for some reason.thanks

I think the price has gone up since then, but anyway, here you go:

Samuel M. Ross · #83 09-01-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr

I think the price has gone up since then, but anyway, here you go:

I did a Google search on your p/n " 617 589 08 21 00 " and came up with several hits... including: http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm where the tool sells for ~$380

Sam

gsxr · #84 09-01-2006, 03:22 PM

Samstags' prices for some things are outrageous, and this is one of those instances. Current dealer cost for "617 589 08 21 00" is $206 (as of June 2009), and most dealerships mark up tools about 30-60% over cost. So, I'd expect most dealers would charge you $268-$330 USD for the tool. Samstag is probably paying 20-30% over cost, and then tacking on $100+ profit for themselves. I'm sure you can find places to buy it under $300. Shoot me an email if you can't.

Samuel M. Ross · #85 09-01-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr

Samstags' prices for some things are outrageous, and this is one of those instances. Current dealer cost for "617 589 08 21 00" is $204, and most dealerships mark up tools about 30-40% over cost. So, I'd expect most dealers would charge you $265-$285 for the tool. Samstag is probably paying that, and then tacking on $100 profit for themselves. I'm sure you can find places to buy it under $300.

SideBar to this Subject - As you know, this "RIV" light system is static. As I have reported on another THREAD, I've been trying to make a pulse sensor accessory and timing light work together to give reliable "dynamic" timing checks for these vintage diesels. I think I'm closing in on a workable answer but NO "cuppie doll" yet!
SAm

spock505 · #86 06-30-2009, 02:45 PM

The RV timing tool is a whooping $497 + shipping from Baum tools

New Direct from MB in the UK £197,

gsxr · #87 06-30-2009, 02:55 PM

Baum can be a ripoff on certain items, and apparently this is one of them. See my previous post (scroll up a bit)... you should be able to locate the factory tool for about $300 USD with a little hunting around.

spock505 · #88 06-30-2009, 06:02 PM

Does the RIV tool come with all of these other bits in the diagram?

gsxr · #89 06-30-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spock505

Does the RIV tool come with all of these other bits in the diagram?

Nope. What you get for ~$300 is shown in the photo above, in post #83, aka the "A-B light box". This is what you need to set static pump timing when installing the pump or or adjusting the timing.

What's pictured in the WIS screen shot is the dynamic RIV tools, which allow measuring pump timing with the engine running. While this is cool, it's also not necessary for 99.44% of the work you'd ever do on the engine. And it will cost about 10x as much. I don't know anyone who has one of these.

spock505 · #90 06-30-2009, 06:21 PM

Thanks bud,

Do you think both tools are as accurate as each other in their results although I appreciate one is a lot more difficult to use?

The reason is on my OM605 its easy to line up the notch as you you can feel it with your small finger then (I guess) just pop the tool, in followed by a bit of wiggling?

So you have the damper marker set at 14/15 degrees ATDC, loosen bolts and move pump around until it 'clicks' in, is this not going to be as accurate as both lights coming on to say its in the middle?