What would entice you to get rid of your diesel and drive a gas burner? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

mbzkid · #16 12-22-2005, 11:49 PM

When they make a 4 speed manual GAS 240D that is exactly like the diesel model?

pawoSD · #17 12-23-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mbzkid

When they make a 4 speed manual GAS 240D that is exactly like the diesel model?

Wouldn't the manual 230e or 230ce from that era count?

I want a gasser in addition to my diesel, but diesel will always be #1 for me by far.

The smallest gasser I'd want is a 300E, I'd prefer a 500E or 380-560SEL or SEC, those rock.

Any of those I'd be fine with.

Of course if I had the money I'd probably have a small fleet of these cars....

......both gasser and diesel ones

whunter · #18 12-23-2005, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel Giant

I want to see how many hard core diesel ites are here. What life situation would prompt you to get rid of your diesel and drive a gas burner.

For me I hate gas burners so much, it would have to be a real desperate situation for me to dump the Mercedes diesel in favor of a gas burner.

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sailor15015 · #19 12-23-2005, 12:47 AM

Even as I sit here typing, my '84 that I've had for three days is down because of what I strongly suspect is a shorted out neutral safety switch. I'm really down right now but I know when I wake up in the morning I'll feel better. I'm leaving Sunday for a week-long out-of-town vacation and I have to work 8+ hours every day so she'll more than likely be sitting until the new year. I'm facing the prospect of yet again having two cars and not being able to drive either one of them. Yet its the feel I get from driving these cars that keeps me coming back for more. When I drive down back roads I can just imagine myself puttering along somewhere in Germany. Its the heart and soul of these cars that won't let me loose. Give up my diesel? No sir!

Ara T. · #20 12-23-2005, 02:01 AM

I dont see how you some of you guys hate gas burners. It's not the diesel engine that I'll remember when I think about my 300D years from now when its gone, its the feeling of safety, overall quality, and feel... in fact I'd love to have a 280CE with a 4 or 5 speed... that'd be sweet.

mbzkid · #21 12-23-2005, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Wouldn't the manual 230e or 230ce from that era count?

I want a gasser in addition to my diesel, but diesel will always be #1 for me by far.

The smallest gasser I'd want is a 300E, I'd prefer a 500E or 380-560SEL or SEC, those rock.

Any of those I'd be fine with.

Of course if I had the money I'd probably have a small fleet of these cars....

......both gasser and diesel ones

No, I mean, it needs to be very slow and torquey. It must go clatta-clatta, and get 25-35 mpg, and it MUST have those body colored wheel covers

CUBANDiesel · #22 12-23-2005, 02:50 AM

I would not mind a Mini D, or even a gas model if it got 35 mpg. Since the 300 SD runs well I might not mind an 1990 300 SE.

greasybenz · #23 12-23-2005, 03:27 AM

I would keep buying diesels forever. They have a flexability of running on different fuels like veggie oil, kerosene, jet fuel you get the point. And a gasser is just inefficient. I mean i used to love mustangs because of my dads 64 conv and 66 hardtop but now that ive learned that you can get better performance out of a diesel engine gassers are just obsolete to me. I mean look at wat those finn guys did to those merc diesels. a w124 diesel with 450hp!!! can you imagine how much torque that would be?!!!!!!! A gas car can have high hp but no matter how much hp it has it still gets lower torque. diesel engine that has 200hp it will have around 400 lbs of torque a gassser couldnt get that kind of performace.

i mean the V10 tdi in the toureag and phaeton get 309hp with 533lbs of torque! a gasser cant get that kind of performance!!

My moms passat tdi has 130hp with 247lbs of torque. The gasser 1.8t had 180hp with 166lbs of torque.

which one gets 50mpg? the diesel
which one has more power? the diesel
which one was sluggish off the line? the gasser

My mom loves the tdi passat she loves the power over the passat gasser. She brags to everyone about it to. A gas car is just inefficient so i would never buy a gasser. Weve traded our gasser passat for a diesel passat now we have to get rid of the ford expedition and get a diesel excursion

boneheaddoctor · #24 12-23-2005, 08:00 AM

I have a gas burner......two if you count my Harley.

They each have their strong points.......and I appreciate them for what they are best at.

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BluEyes · #26 12-23-2005, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by greasybenz

I mean look at wat those finn guys did to those merc diesels. a w124 diesel with 450hp!!! can you imagine how much torque that would be?!!!!!!! A gas car can have high hp but no matter how much hp it has it still gets lower torque.

Not that the car isn't cool, but a turbo 3L engine with 450hp isn't that spectacular in the world of heavily modified cars. Those twin turbo 3.0 Mitsubishi motors can push up to 700 if you want to spend the cash.
As far as torque, I hope you just mean less torque than a diesel. Look at domestic V8's. Untill you start pushing insane RPM's, they usually have more torque than HP, and a boosted engine even more so. It's all in how you build it...

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Originally Posted by PagodaLover

My 40 bhp 180D with column manual shift hauls some serious butt, I will have you know.

Hey, wanna drag my 60hp 220D? Refreshments served at half track!

Personally, I haven't seen many diesels I'd want to own aside from the Benzes, and then only the older ones with a stickshift available (or swappable). It isn't the engine, but the body and/or transmission that you would be stuck with...
Won't own a truck, sorry, but those engines do impress me. Of course, those new truck turbodiesels have alot of $$$ put into them.
The new VW TDI's are tempting though but not a fan of the body. If the 320CDI had a manual trans offered in the US, I might consider one in a few decades when the price is reasonable.

Angel · #27 12-23-2005, 08:34 AM

I look at it this way, I can only afford a used car right now, the wife (and -4 month old) need a good car, hence the subaru we just bought.
I wish I loved diesel, but not with the mpg that the 240D gets. Yeah, if you get a TDI/CDI the mpg's go up, but you cant get into a TDI for less than $8k, and I can think of a STACK of neat gassers for less than $8k...

Besides, no one makes a diesel motorcycle (for public sale...yet)...

TheDon · #28 12-23-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

bypass that EGR and use the Brian's blocking plate kit #3 !

its on its way i ordered it.. i wouldnt mind a new E320 CDI or the prototype SL 400 CDI ... i forgot what mercedes it was but its a 2 door coupe convertible with a v-12.. i wouldnt mind it in silver

iNeon · #29 12-23-2005, 09:38 AM

hmm.. what would it take to get me out of my diesel..

1) an offer to buy it from me- at a decent price, mind you heh heh no pms offering 500 bux please

2) fuel prices and consumption higher than those of my gasoline car(sadly, this is reality)

3) a 230ce for sale locally.

4) a 280ce for sale locally.

5) a 560sec in black on off-black sitting in my driveway and a gasoline credit card with unlimited funds available to it in my wallet.

i have to agree with the folks that say the engine isnt what is keeping me in the 240. its the feelings of security, of reliability and even though i am only a minorly skilled shadetree mechanic; the feelings of self sufficience.

a mechanically fuel injected 4 cylinder benz would offer comparable performance to the 240 and would be quieter, smoother and a bit more friendly to guests. boy would i like one! a metallic chocolate coupe with palomino interior and a manual sliding roof.

i would call him das Scheißeauto

TheDon · #30 12-23-2005, 09:54 AM

lmao .. ineon nice name for the auto