4 Speed Manual to 5 Speed Manual Swap - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

diametricalbenz · #1 06-27-2007, 04:18 PM

I am not expecting many replies on this but for those of you lucky enough to have been around the 5 speed getrags, perhaps an answer may be available.

If the 4 speed manual were exchanged for a 5 speed, would the shift assembly need to be changed due to the different shift pattern and position of reverse?

Stevo · #2 06-27-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by diametricalbenz

I am not expecting many replies on this but for those of you lucky enough to have been around the 5 speed getrags, perhaps an answer may be available.

If the 4 speed manual were exchanged for a 5 speed, would the shift assembly need to be changed due to the different shift pattern and position of reverse?

Yep, altogether different shifter, plus it wouldnt work cause theres only a four speed pattern on the shifter

winmutt · #3 06-27-2007, 05:50 PM

Speaking of there is a wrecked euro 300d with a 5spd on ebay...... Blue one in DC. was listed on the "other forums"

diametricalbenz · #4 06-27-2007, 06:23 PM

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Yep, altogether different shifter, plus it wouldnt work cause theres only a four speed pattern on the shifter

No way it would go to a valet.

gRRRRRRR

So the trans, shifter, rods hydraulic lines everything else would have to be found even with an existing 4SP manual in place?

Stevo · #5 06-27-2007, 07:18 PM

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No way it would go to a valet.

gRRRRRRR

So the trans, shifter, rods hydraulic lines everything else would have to be found even with an existing 4SP manual in place?

Not sure about the hydraulic line but add "drive shaft" too the list. Best too have the "doner' car. You cant buy the whole car?

diametricalbenz · #6 06-27-2007, 07:53 PM

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Not sure about the hydraulic line but add "drive shaft" too the list. Best too have the "doner' car. You cant buy the whole car?

Finding the whole car is tough. There is one one on ebay as winmutt mentioned but it is in WA and its on Ebay which makes it a PITA as it is.

All that for 2-3mpg more...

winmutt · #7 06-27-2007, 10:25 PM

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Finding the whole car is tough. There is one one on ebay as winmutt mentioned but it is in WA and its on Ebay which makes it a PITA as it is.

All that for 2-3mpg more...

or 135mph top end...

lietuviai · #8 06-27-2007, 10:42 PM

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Finding the whole car is tough. There is one one on ebay as winmutt mentioned but it is in WA and its on Ebay which makes it a PITA as it is.

All that for 2-3mpg more...

Do you have a link to it? I'm in WA.

winmutt · #9 06-27-2007, 11:28 PM

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Do you have a link to it? I'm in WA.

DC

diametricalbenz · #10 06-27-2007, 11:31 PM

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or 135mph top end...

That seems somewhat optimistic with the stock motor. Perhaps with a OM603?

lietuviai · #11 06-27-2007, 11:37 PM

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DC

Oh, the other WA.

Stevo · #12 06-28-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by diametricalbenz

Finding the whole car is tough. There is one one on ebay as winmutt mentioned but it is in WA and its on Ebay which makes it a PITA as it is.

All that for 2-3mpg more...

The 82, 5 spd, 240D I found had been donated to the salvation army and bought by some guy for "cheap wheels" and he ran it further into the ground then put it on Auto Treader. It was an easy swap with both cars side by side. I sold it as a 4 spd and its still around town

ARINUTS · #13 06-28-2007, 01:00 AM

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Do you have a link to it? I'm in WA.

The link would be good , I can't find it. I'm curious. I'd like to have 1 or 2 more gears in my 83 300SD, doesn't have to be manual, can be automatic, but it definitely needs at least 1 more gear. It's sluggish off the line and it revs to high at around 80. 1 more gear and possibly a rear end gear swap would make this car both more fun to drive and comfortable

#14 06-28-2007, 01:08 AM

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The link would be good , I can't find it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&viewitem=&item=270138096407&rd=1&rd=1

t walgamuth · #15 06-28-2007, 06:15 AM

I agree with stevo. The hydraulic line should be the same. The additional gear will probably not increase the top end much if any...unless you add power to the engine somehow.

A very nice swap. In this case, I suspect a ds from an automatic equipped car might be about the right length.

We are in the process of swapping a four speed manual into my 82 300cd right now and it appears that the ds from a 240 automatic front half will be the right length for it.

Good luck.

Tom W