Sorry to take this OT:
Not trying to pick a fight, just telling it like I see it. Obviously you don't have to see it my way.
I can say why I do from experience. I've owned both a 617 and a 603. I'll never ever buy another post 85 Benz ever again.
BTW, how many times have you heard of a cracked head or bent rods in older (pre-85) diesel engines?
Should we start a new thread about this?

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DJ


84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

I'll take it OT a little bit further. Since you have a gasoline MB in your fleet though not equipped with this engine, would you say that the M116/M117 family of engines built since the early 70's and 722.0/1/2/3 transmissions built since the late 60's started to decline in quality after 1985, though pre 85 units were virtually identical to post 85 units?

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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate

Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later!
-German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123.

Don't know much about the 116/117's. From experience, the transmission was holding up much better in the 123 than it was in the 124 I had. They both had about the same mileage when I had them.

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84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

I love my '91. Runs great. I heard MB diesels died in 1998. I think that was the last year for the inline 6 engine that was basically the 1995 model year motor. Probably the best they ever made. I'm just guessing in 2002, after a few year hiatus of making them (I think that's when they restarted making diesels), they started making good diesels again.

jeff

"what..? WHAT..?"

"Diesel uber Alles"

"EMP proof"

"Mercedesshop.com"

"Smoking permitted"

"Feed turbines, not turbins"

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1982 300CD Petrol/Black Leather

I wouldn't count out their new diesels. They are loaded with electronics, but they kick serious but!
0-60 in 6.6 and 35 MPG.

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1982 300CD Petrol/Black Leather

"we diesels do it longer and do it harder"

"got diesel?"

"dinosaur predator"

"Smile! You've been passed by a diesel"

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1982 W123 300D NA Euro, 300K Miles, 4-speed manual, 3.46 rear diff, early W126 front brakes, Penta rims with 205/60R15 FH900's, custom fitted (by me) audio system, more to come into the money pit... Soon to be installed: Bilstein HD, R107 front discs and 4-piston calipers, HD Suspension springs, wagon front swaybar.

chrysler was bought by MB parent Diamler about 6 years ago for 40BBBBILLLION, and it's worth about 7B now... and they are trying to dump it.
John

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 560SL convertible
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Damn that sucks to be chrysler...

Diesel:

It's slow. It's noisy. It smells...

......and I love it!!!

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62 220sb
67 250S
72 280SE 4.5
74 280C
77 300D
82 240D
85 190E 2.3
86 300E RIP 12/28/09
85 300SD
92 300D 2.5
00 E320 Current
Over 1,000,000 miles in Benzes, Since66

....and a whole passel of BMW 2002 and Tii

mercedes arent that slow. they have a touque of a V8

My son starts his slogan project 2 days any last ideas?

See my sig...

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1982 W123 300D NA Euro, 300K Miles, 4-speed manual, 3.46 rear diff, early W126 front brakes, Penta rims with 205/60R15 FH900's, custom fitted (by me) audio system, more to come into the money pit... Soon to be installed: Bilstein HD, R107 front discs and 4-piston calipers, HD Suspension springs, wagon front swaybar.

Mercedes Benz---Gas or diesel---Accept no substitues!

How about..

"Mercedes Diesel: from the Earth to the Moon and back... one mile at a time.. in comfort"

(note: moon is approx 238,857 miles from Earth)

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'83 300DTurbo http://badges.fuelly.com/images/smallsig-us/318559.png

Broadband: more lies faster.