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Old 06-29-2007, 06:16 PM
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Hey Cerven,
I have about 60K on my 616 running a Garrett t-3 (.36 A/R turbine) with no problems whatsoever. 9-10 pounds of boost (it will go to about 14), 135bar injectors, 3.07 gears, and the IP is cranked up too. I do have an oil cooler off of a 300 which probably helps the pistons a bit and I don't run it at 100 mph for hours on end, but short high power blasts to get on the freeway happen daily.
Mileage runs between 32-34 at 70 mph with the automatic tranny or about 36 with the standard. Yes, I really have run the car with both transmissions, and it is definitly faster with the auto. I do not have accurate 0-60 times to report, but when I get my G- Tech I'll post them.

You really can turbo the 616 into a pretty good, reliable, fuel effiecent runner.

Just reporting my experience, yours may differ!
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:28 PM
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its just more efficient to have an aneroid to control the inital overboost.
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Old 06-29-2007, 09:43 PM
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well i am going to go searching tommarow for a good used 617 engine. hopefully i find one thats not too thrashed.
hint...hint...i have one for yah, check the link

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Old 06-29-2007, 09:45 PM
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its just more efficient to have an aneroid to control the inital overboost.
You probably mean initial lack of boost.

I don't use an aneroid and my MPG is no different without it.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:38 PM
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You probably mean initial lack of boost.

I don't use an aneroid and my MPG is no different without it.
ah i meant overfuel
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:39 PM
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ah i meant overfuel
Gotcha.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:42 PM
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Anything i can do to up the performance mechanically? different rings? pistons? valves? head surfacing? porting? i mean nothing TOO deep but i mean something you can do or buy differently. but i want the same reliability of the original Mercedes part.
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:54 AM
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Hey Cerven,
I have about 60K on my 616 running a Garrett t-3 (.36 A/R turbine) with no problems whatsoever. 9-10 pounds of boost (it will go to about 14), 135bar injectors, 3.07 gears, and the IP is cranked up too. I do have an oil cooler off of a 300 which probably helps the pistons a bit and I don't run it at 100 mph for hours on end, but short high power blasts to get on the freeway happen daily.
Mileage runs between 32-34 at 70 mph with the automatic tranny or about 36 with the standard. Yes, I really have run the car with both transmissions, and it is definitly faster with the auto. I do not have accurate 0-60 times to report, but when I get my G- Tech I'll post them.

You really can turbo the 616 into a pretty good, reliable, fuel effiecent runner.

Just reporting my experience, yours may differ!
Cheers, Chris
Can you send me pics of your set up? What manifold did you run? I was thinking about modifying a 115 manifold. I want that center exhaust exit. Any info would be great.
Thanks
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:53 AM
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The OM616 when properly turbo charged by the factory like the one I have on my Gurkha is a percet balance, it develops 91bhp, good enough to push it even on a heavy vehicle like mine and returns and excellent 36mpg on hwy.
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:08 AM
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No. The MB tranny is made for luxury, not performance. Shifting very fast will cause grinding.

Sometimes I'll get a bit rough with the clutch on take-off. I can do an unaided burnout on dry asphalt without much effort if I let it get full boost before releasing the clutch (Gotta love the VNT! ).
My tran only has 109k on it . However with 2.88 I really have to work it to get even a squeek out. Hopefully that will change with new injectors and PCs. On the NA 300 w/ M pump I could spin wheels until the cows came home and that was 3.07 rear I believe.
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Old 06-30-2007, 12:50 PM
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On the NA 300 w/ M pump I could spin wheels until the cows came home and that was 3.07 rear I believe.
Probably a 3.46 like the autos unless MB changed the diff with the manual 300s.

I'd like to try a euro M-pump, crank it up as far as it can go and see if it will make as much or more power than the turbo MW-pump.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:07 PM
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Our 300D we bought does 0-60 in about 12.3 seconds...and its stock...with an auto...its freakishly fast. Our SD's are boats...and they do it in about 13ish....the '83 is slightly faster than mine. How come yours isn't faster than 13.5 with all those mods and changes??? Especially with that 3.69 diff ratio...you'd think it'd accelerate way faster....as all ours have the 3.07....
Can you post a video showing a 0-60 run? That's about 3 seconds faster than the MB original claimed and nearly all other people's experiences.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:31 PM
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Anything i can do to up the performance mechanically? different rings? pistons? valves? head surfacing? porting? i mean nothing TOO deep but i mean something you can do or buy differently. but i want the same reliability of the original Mercedes part.
The one thing you can do is use Childs and Albert piston rings! They are gappless and totally self sealing. (I don't know if genuine Mercedes Benz ones are or not.) Childs and Albert have been making high performance products for gas and diesel engines for a long time now and I've yet to hear any complaints! DO NOT use Chrome rings unless you are willing to trade off cylinder wall wear for longer ring life. I don't know how long most here are willing to put up with an unoptomised engine, but my 1983 300D Turbo will go from 0 to 65 MPH in just a hair under 10 seconds running on biodiesel.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:40 PM
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OH, I almost forgot.... Have your machine shop knurl your valve guides slightly if they will and go with a 3 angle valve job! These things I mentioned here will not only boost your preformance, but will also increase your fuel economy! REMEMBER! You DO NOT have to sacrifice fuel economy for performance in ANY engine if your build is done right! Pick up a book called "Smokey Yunick's power building secrets". Many of the mechanical recommendations pertain to both gas and DIESEL engines! You will learn a lot! Good Luck and show us the finished product!
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:47 PM
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"Smokey Yunick's power building secrets"
The same guy that built a turbocharged Fiero and claimed it was not a down-draft carburated turbo gasser but a "hot-air-engine".

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