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Old 12-27-2007, 10:59 PM
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So, the question is : Why can I get a compression pressure of 520 psi from an engine with a limit of around 400psi from displacement vs volume vs c/r as previously stated?

First and second law of thermodynamics....or,
Development of the Adiabatic Condition.

First Law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, rather, the amount of energy lost in a steady state process cannot be greater than the amount of energy gained.

Compression pressure is a measure of the effective ability of an engine to compress air, not it's sealing capacity or mechanical ability to perform as an engine....or the effective work it does.

Due to the pressure rise/duration, there is a rise in effective pressure due to compressive heat input.

Saying the engine will compress the air to any particular value due to it's internal dimensions has no value unless you compress the air at a speed that does not generate heat and also, and very important...absolutely, no air leaks!....at present, not an attainable condition.

Running a compression test is a measure of several cycles, heat generated pressure bearing no relation to swept volume and dependent on c/r + rpm speed = psi....or work.

A diesel engine in poor condition is often able to generate 400 psi in summer time and start right up, but in a Canadian winter is no more than a relatively dry boat anchor.

Also, intake valve closing timing is critical to psi generated. As is valve clearence and seat condition....to say nothing of ring land wear.

A more meaningful reading from any combustion engine is a Leak Down Test.


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Old 12-27-2007, 11:12 PM
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The 5 cylinder engine has a displacement of 3000 cc's. Each cylinder is 600 cc's. Compression ratio from what I have read is 22.5:1.

The compression ratio being the difference in volume from the cylinder at bottom dead center to the volume at top dead center, the displacement of the cylinder must be 21.5 times the volume of the combustion chamber.

Divide 600cc by 21.5, the combustion chamber is 27.9cc. I just happened to have a glow plug in the trunk of my car at work tonight. Filled a 25 cc graduated cylinder up to 20 cc's, stuck the glow plug in the water until it reached the threading. It displaced 1.5 cc's.

Using the compression meter plug instead of the glow plug gives us a combustion chamber volume of 29.4. The resulting combustion ratio is 21.4 (600+29.4/29.4). A 5% difference. Theoretically at sea level with an air pressure of 14.7 psi, the engine should have a compression gage reading of 315 (14.7x21.4) psi. Slightly less at higher altitudes.

In practice, carbon buildup reduces the size of the combustion chamber and higher readings can result.

A better way to figure the problem out is to read a previous thread which quoted the shop manual. 350-400 is excellent. 275 to 350 is good. 225 to 275 is acceptable. The key being that there should not be more than 30 psi difference between cylinders. If you are below 240, factor in the 5%.
I think I got part if it when you minus the 2cc it changes the comprssion ratio and I did not think that through.

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