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Old 03-10-2008, 09:37 PM
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superior spring kit oops, little balls everywhere

word of advice on the Superior spring kit directions. when it says keep the middle plate on the big side, it means it. what they should tell you is, when you remove the 2 screws to seperate the valve body halves, flip it over then seprate it. I have little bearings bouncing everywhere. so much for a leisurely 3 hour job. I think I have them all, and I have a picture showing where they should go, but it is a serious pain that they werent a little more forthcoming with the warning. I replaced all of the springs with the kit springs, guess Ill finish tomorrow......

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Old 03-10-2008, 10:52 PM
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... I just love your lineup...

... um, what's a spring kit? in the tranny? in the vacuum pump? details... please?

I think you are discussing the spring for the shift firm/stable section of the tranny. never having worked on any tranny, I do not know...

did you install the LS in the c2?
which one? stock? iron? 5.7/6.1? pics?
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Old 03-10-2008, 11:04 PM
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... I just love your lineup...

... um, what's a spring kit? in the tranny? in the vacuum pump? details... please?

I think you are discussing the spring for the shift firm/stable section of the tranny. never having worked on any tranny, I do not know...

did you install the LS in the c2?
which one? stock? iron? 5.7/6.1? pics?
yeh superior shift kit for the trans. i dumped all the little pieces first thing

its a stock 99 vette LS1 in the C2, along with the entire suspension. not a lot to see but heres a link
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Old 03-10-2008, 11:53 PM
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other than your mishap, how was the job in general? Im looking to do the same thing. Some have said its an 11 out of 10 difficulty, others seem to open it and put the superior kit like its nothing. ive never opened a valve body so im trying to gauge what im getting into.
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Old 03-11-2008, 01:09 AM
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yeh superior shift kit for the trans. i dumped all the little pieces first thing

its a stock 99 vette LS1 in the C2, along with the entire suspension. not a lot to see but heres a link
I thought I read something about a superior shift kit somewhere on here... now about those pics of your mishap...

and I made a mistake... the 62 was the last year of the C1 lineup... the pics on your site gave it away... I can't believe I messed that one up... I have followed vetts since the 70's... oh well, can't be perfect on everything...
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Old 03-11-2008, 07:05 AM
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other than your mishap, how was the job in general? Im looking to do the same thing. Some have said its an 11 out of 10 difficulty, others seem to open it and put the superior kit like its nothing. ive never opened a valve body so im trying to gauge what im getting into.

the first one is quite intimidating. i had a lot of trouble following the pictures in the instructions. they need to add assembly lines. once I figured out that the little picture to the side was a continuation of another picture it made it easier. there was one valve I just couldnt get to come out. I will try again today in daylight and see. If I were to do it again I think the second one would be a lot easier, but Ill hold off judgement until I have this one back together and working.
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Old 03-11-2008, 07:07 AM
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I thought I read something about a superior shift kit somewhere on here... now about those pics of your mishap...

and I made a mistake... the 62 was the last year of the C1 lineup... the pics on your site gave it away... I can't believe I messed that one up... I have followed vetts since the 70's... oh well, can't be perfect on everything...

i was thinking C1 was the code but I have been away from the vette for 4 years so I wasnt 100%. I grew up with first gen and mid years so C1,C2 etc was new to me when I started building the 62.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:17 AM
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I'm REALLY glad you posted this, I was actually reading the intructions yesterday on my superior spring kit, and it wasn't terribly clear... add to that the fact that the chiltons manual has virtually no auto tranny related info. All I need to do is replace the K2, but it appears in order to do that, the valve body has to come off.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:28 AM
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All I need to do is replace the K2, but it appears in order to do that, the valve body has to come off.
No it doesn't. To replace the K1 and K2 springs, you just need to take the covers off the accumulators. Four screws for each one. Here's a write up on the K1; the K2 is the same, but on the other side of the tranny.


There are other components in the Superior kit that require opening the valve body, but I didn't install those. Here's a good thread on the subject:
Superior Shift Correction kit - anybody tried one?

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Old 03-11-2008, 07:42 PM
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well I have reverse, 1-2 forward but no shift to 3 or 4. I have a picture of where all the little balls go but it doesnt exactly match my valve body. Does anyone in the North Tampa area have a junk trans I can get a valve body from to compare? Or know a trans shop that can print the valve body check ball diagram, or that could do the valve body for me? Warning to all if you split the valve body, remove the two screws and flip it over before you seperate them.......

from the russian site my tranny is 722315 02 220971
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:24 PM
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ftp://ftp.synthetic.ro/Docs/Mercedes/Mercedes%20Benz%20w124%20Auto%20Transmission%20Diagnosis%20-%20722%20Series.pdf

From a post on BW:

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PW 123456

Edit - here's the relevant diagram from the PDF:
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:38 PM
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ftp://ftp.synthetic.ro/Docs/Mercedes/Mercedes%20Benz%20w124%20Auto%20Transmission%20Diagnosis%20-%20722%20Series.pdf

From a post on BW:

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PW 123456

Edit - here's the relevant diagram from the PDF:

Thanx but thats the same diagram I have and it is different than my tranny. Mine does not have one of the valves and the little plastic key hole shaped thing. also the link isnt working for me.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:48 PM
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well I have reverse, 1-2 forward but no shift to 3 or 4. I have a picture of where all the little balls go but it doesnt exactly match my valve body. Does anyone in the North Tampa area have a junk trans I can get a valve body from to compare? Or know a trans shop that can print the valve body check ball diagram, or that could do the valve body for me? Warning to all if you split the valve body, remove the two screws and flip it over before you seperate them.......

from the russian site my tranny is 722315 02 220971
Thanx

wow, thats harsh! I only had the 3-4 flare, so I decided not to drop the valve body and just did Step #5 (I put the pink spring in the K2) I wanted to do step #2 (replacing the k2 accumulator control valve springs) but theres NFW to get to it w/out dropping the valve body... so we'll try this first.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:51 PM
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Thanx but thats the same diagram I have and it is different than my tranny. Mine does not have one of the valves and the little plastic key hole shaped thing. also the link isnt working for me.
Sorry it didn't help.

The link is to an ftp site, so be sure to enter the logon info if you're still interested in trying. The pdf is for the 722, but only for the models installed in 124's. It's the only valve body diagram I've ever found.

I can imagine what you're going through. Best of luck.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:57 PM
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Sorry it didn't help.

The link is to an ftp site, so be sure to enter the logon info if you're still interested in trying. The pdf is for the 722, but only for the models installed in 124's. It's the only valve body diagram I've ever found.

I can imagine what you're going through. Best of luck.
no worries. I have the parts for a 4spd swap as backup. the guy I bought the car from said the tranny was toast. I figured If I could get it to limp a while longer I could get ready for the 4spd swap. looks like it might come sooner as I dont plan to put too much into this auto trans. If I could find a valve body as a reference I think I could get mine back together, its just that having it all dump out on me put me out of my leage on trans work.

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