300D 212km Plant Drive Veggie Oil 1 Tank Installed and Running GREAT! - Page 7 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

willy2004 · #91 07-26-2008, 04:25 AM

Personally, I would like to see some evidence that running WVO is not doing any long term damage. Maybe some photos of the car's guts? I haven't seen any proof aside from the fact that guys have been running WVO for xxx number of miles. For me that's not enough proof to give me peace of mind.

RichC · #92 07-26-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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Day one.

No links to any kind of evidence that veggie harms the OM61X engines.

RichC

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Day two.

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Day three.

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(ps: I have tried using the search tool, and found nothing but people complaining that it will, no evidence)

TMAllison · #93 07-26-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

(ps: I have tried using the search tool, and found nothing but people complaining that it will, no evidence)

Then just come back in October.

Oxnard guy · #94 07-26-2008, 03:11 PM

October it averages about 80 degrees here ...dec and jan I add diesel 20% or so then it's back to veggie the rest of the yr. Today it was 80 degrees on the beach at 7 am....

TMAllison · #95 07-26-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxnard guy

October it averages about 80 degrees here ...dec and jan I add diesel 20% or so then it's back to veggie the rest of the yr. Today it was 80 degrees on the beach at 7 am....

The OP is on the opposite coast.....and much further north. They actually wear jackets in winter, AND long pants.

Oxnard guy · #96 07-26-2008, 04:06 PM

I have many

friends here that i have never in 40 yrs seen in long pants

#97 07-26-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Day one.
Day two.
Day three.

You're once, twice, three times a troll.

Communication is impossible with people like you. You refuse to look at what is given to you, brush it aside like its not important and you pretend like you never even saw it.

We were actually getting this thread back into meaningful discussion again. Then you had to bring our childish game back up and drag this thread back into your sewer. End your childish game now so we may once again get the thread back into the realm of rational people. This thread was going fine until post #26 where you dragged it down to the level of petty insults and childish games.

GOOD. Now that Rich's childish game is over the thread can finally get back up after being dragged down to his sewer.

husk · #98 07-26-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by willy2004

Personally, I would like to see some evidence that running WVO is not doing any long term damage. Maybe some photos of the car's guts? I haven't seen any proof aside from the fact that guys have been running WVO for xxx number of miles. For me that's not enough proof to give me peace of mind.

I think a distinction needs to be made here for the normal one tank systems (i.e. Plantdrive, Lovecraft etc) and two tank systems. A Lovecraft,Plantdrive etc one tank system will cause upper land ring coking as well as polymerization of engine oil. This is because none of the engine characteristics have been modified to run the cold viscous VO. Good two tank systems fix these problems by heating the oil to ~160 F, so that it is as viscous as diesel and will not cause any of the maladies you see with running cold VO.

My point with the Elsbett was that they have been able to adjust engine behavior i.e. modify injectors, timing, ecu etc so that it does not cause ULC. There is no other commercially available one tank system that can do this. Most just add a couple inline heaters without modifying engine behavior.

A warranty means a lot, most VO kit vendors claim its "experimental" and basically you are SOL if your engine becomes toast from running their conversion. Elsbett is the only company I have come across that has a comprehensive engine warranty.

spark3542 · #99 07-26-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Yes. Its like any "extended warranty" you would buy with something at an electronics store. There is the odd once in a blue moon its useful to somebody but the rest of the time its just a revenue generator for the company. As I said before, most people buying kits like that wouldn't know if their engine was running how it should be in the first place.

One big problem with their warranty is the following.

Very few people in the US use rapeseed let alone know if the oil they use meets the requirements since its a non-US standard.

I agree Elsbett is the best of the single tank "conversions". However, thats like saying Lada is the best of the Russian car manufacturers.

Rapeseed is Canola. they renamed it to get away from the awkward name. It mostly comes from Canada, but it everywhere in the US.

#**100** 07-26-2008, 10:45 PM

Ah, see, learn something new every day.

GOOD. Now that Rich's childish game is over the thread can finally get back up after being dragged down to his sewer.

RichC · #**101** 07-27-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TMAllison

Then just come back in October.

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Did you have a car that had problems in Oct ?

Or is this a rude comment ?

So far my vehicles have lived thru 3 winters,
but I do live in the US, in Texas.
And it stays pretty warm here.

RichC

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RichC · #**102** 07-27-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

You're once, twice, three times a troll.

Communication is impossible with people like you. You refuse to look at what is given to you, brush it aside like its not important and you pretend like you never even saw it.

We were actually getting this thread back into meaningful discussion again. Then you had to bring our childish game back up and drag this thread back into your sewer. End your childish game now so we may once again get the thread back into the realm of rational people. This thread was going fine until post #26 where you dragged it down to the level of petty insults and childish games.

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Give us evidence that veggie has harmed the OM61x engines.

RichC

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TMAllison · #**103** 07-27-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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Did you have a car that had problems in Oct ?

Or is this a rude comment ?

So far my vehicles have lived thru 3 winters,
but I do live in the US, in Texas.
And it stays pretty warm here.

RichC

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The point Rich, was visit the board in OCt and NOV when you wont have to search far for SVO/WVO problems. Happens every year just as June and July the board gets inundated with AC problems. The OP is located in NJ so your expiriences in Tx may not be applicable.

On a side note, did you know that if you cut Alaska in half that Texas would then be the 3rd biggest state in the union.

#**104** 07-27-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Give us evidence that veggie has harmed the OM61x engines.

I already gave you the tool to find it all. If you don't want to find it then thats your own problem. Stop playing your games and lets get this thread back into the rational world.

GOOD. Now that Rich's childish game is over the thread can finally get back up after being dragged down to his sewer.

Alastair · #**105** 07-27-2008, 01:48 PM

Suitably prepared, there is no more harm in running veggy in place of diesel, on a Single-Tank system. I have proved this over the last 11 odd years of running veggy in a variety of diesel vehicles I have converted Its not only Elsbett who do mods to timing/fuel-system/injectors. I do too...

No more risky than the cruddy, acid-forming High Sulfur diesel these engines were Designed to run on in the 60's--So lets get a sense of proportion!!...