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Steering play
I recently got a 1980 240D and im in the process of wrenching her up to be a daily driver. I noticed on the drive home that the steering wheel has about 3 inches of play either direction before it starts to actually steer. I had a buddy of mine turn the wheel back and fourth and the rod to the power steering under the hood is engaging properly. So this sounds to me like more linkage work under this car, such a fun job to do alone has anyone fixed this before, any pointers?
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The steering on my car only had about an inch of play but I replaced the tierods,centerlink, lbj's and steering damper. The MB guy who did my alignment said often it is in the steering box that much of the slop occurs. You got to got through it and check all components, A little play in each will add up.
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I replaced just about everything in the front end and still had play. The FSM has a procedure on how to tighten up the steerring box. In it they use a special torque measuring tool, but I reckon you could go on feel alone.
As mentioned in the prior post, it's probably worth updating the various tierods and bushings before doing the exercise for optimum results. As you will need an alignment after do the work, it might actually be easier to see if the dealer can do the box adjustment at the same time.
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There was a lot of play in mine also when I bought it. I adjusted the steering box that took care of it.
How to check if the steering box needs adjustment. Start the car and have someone sit in the drivers seat and rock the wheel back and forth (parking brake on) gently. look down at the Pitman Arm comming out of the Steering Box. If the Steering Wheel is moving but the Pitman Arm is not; your Steering Box is sloppy and needs adjustment.
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thanks guys very helpful. i have already gotten under my car about 30 times with no ramps to adjust and replace bushings on my tranny linkage i was hoping i wouldn't be doing that for the steering deisel911, i will have to check out if the pitman arm is at fault, i know the steering wheel is tight to the steering box so that may be it. i have a love for cars older than me, but at the same time these things need a lot of work sometimes, or it's just getting to me thanks again guys!
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Soak it with WD-40 or something comparable to break the lock nut loose and back it off enough to screw in the adjustment screw. I usually tighten until there is resistance and the steering wheel does not "return'" on its own while driving then start backing it out 1/2 turn at a time until there is very little play but the steering wheel returns to center after cornering. If the steering box is really worn out.... no amount of adjusting will help! You need two hands like adjusting valves...one working the Allen wrench and the other on a open end wrench to tighten the nut when you have it set.
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Also I believe you can adjust it with the hood open looking down at the steering box.
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hey guys, i know this as been a while but i tried adjusting the steering last week now that the cancer has been cured and she is inspected and on the road. i tightened the bolt up about a half turn to make it have resistance to no avail, then realized the car was off and nobody was rocking the wheel.. so repeat this with those two and if my box is any good it should work?
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Skip Callaham 2003 Volkswagen Jetta TDI (Yes, it's a Diesel!) 2001 Suzuki Esteem (Wife's car) 1980 Mercedes Benz 280 SE Euro 1976 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1971 Mercedes Benz 220D 1965 Triumph Spitfire MKII 1965 Triumph Spitfire MKII |
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You're correct, the screw should be turned counter-clockwise. Don't overdo it or you'll bind the steering and the car won't center itself anymore.
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I need to do this on the 280 SE I just got also. I couldn't see the steering box from the top due to that massive intake manifold. Is the adjustment on the top of the steering box or could it be on the side? I haven't had a chance to crawl under there yet.
That intake manifold is the largest I think I've ever seen on a car!!
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AHHH! THANK YOU. I knew tightening the screw sounded too easy for working on a Mercedes and that explains why the play went from 3 inches to about 6 I'll try out doing it the right way and check back in tomorrow with you guys. Robert, sounds like you're going to have some fun there with your intake... luckily all that junk is on the other side of my engine . Definitly hit that bolt with some PB Blaster before you pull your back like I did .
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I just backed the screw out about 1/4" worth of threads a couple weeks ago and WOW what a difference. The steering feels nice and tight (not hard to turn though) and there is NO play. My procedure was to jack the car up and put the front on jackstands. Then I just backed the screw out until I could turn the steering wheel and directly control the front wheels with no play whatsoever. It only takes a couple of minutes ands it makes such a huge difference in the car. A note though: Only do this after you have confirmed that the rest of the steering gear is in good order. I just replaced all 3 tie rods, idler arm, my ball joints and had an alignment so I knew that there was no play there. I recommend this to all w123 owners.
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Thanks for the tips I'll report back when I get home from school later on today sounds like it should work out then, It's such a pain in the ass driving out here with all these back roads with about 6 inches of play in the steering
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So got home yesterday and took a second stab.. yeah it's a loosen to tighten kinda deal, go figure tightening to tighten something is too easy on a diesel thanks for helping me out there Chad and Robert. Hopefully soon when I get my 240D painted (from off white puke and bondo to anthracite grey) I'll get some eye candy up on my gallery for everyone.
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