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As far as the OM606 claim goes... I don't think so. I've pulled the fuse for the ECM on my 98 E300D when the engine is running - it shuts down instantly and won't re-start until the fuse is replaced.
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NHDOC, I love the personal insults, its great when I have asked you to provide evidence with corroborates your claims, and you resort to personal attacks. Please provide evidence which support your claims? Why are you unable to do this? Why can't you show me instances or proof that the BT system is flawed, complex, or has a propensity fo fail? Your postulates are not based on fact or experience. I own several gas and diesel Mercedes' including a 300SL Gullwing, I guess I have failed at life and don't know what I am talking about.
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Personally, I think the disagreements here are minor and both sides have some truth to offer. I feel you underestimate the economy advantage that diesels have, but I understand that if you don't drive much the advantage becomes small, especially if you pay a big premium for a used diesel in which case it may become non-existent. Certainly the possible shortage of gasoline is another good reason to keep a diesel, as is the ability to run non-petroleum fuels in it (unless it's a Bluetec perhaps). Do understand that some of us also like the diesel clatter, so we may be a bit biased.
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The OM606 engine in your 95 still uses a basically mechanical injection pump, the pump in your 99 OM606 is totally controlled by a computer - pull the fuse that powers the ECM (or pull the battery) and the engine will instantly stop.
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Sorry Husk, I misunderstood your prior statement and thought you meant you could run the OM606 without electrical power. You can probably run the car without a battery, of course just about any car, gas or diesel can run without a battery as long as it has a good alternator. I've driven gas powered cars without batteries too and yes, they will run off the alternator.
As for the personal insults, all I said was you don't know what you are talking about...nothing personal, it's just to make a statement about "how simple" the emissions controls are in the bluetec system shows you haven't seen it. It is, by far, the most complex emissions system put into any car I have ever seen - to call it "simple" you must be aware of some that I don't know about.
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Pull the battery, and see what happens you are wrong sorry, The alternator provides sufficient power once the engine is running to power the ECM. Trust me I am living proof that you can do this
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Even if we believed you actually owned that car it proves nothing other than you have good taste in cars - not that you know anything about them. I'm sure most people with the money to buy a car like that don't understand the first thing about how cars work, so, come to think of it you probably do own it.
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Ok I am a poser on an internet board, just answer my question if you can..... Here are some other vehicles that I know nothing about but you know everything about.....
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NAC+SCR Exhaust leaves the engine and passes through a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), which reduces carbon monoxide and unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust. Next is the NOx Absorber Catalyst, or NAC, which removes and traps oxides of nitrogen (NOx is one of the chief elements in diesel pollution). During periods of lean operation (low fuel-to-air ratio) NOx is stored; under richer operating conditions (which can be created by manipulating the fuel injection) the NAC undergoes a regeneration process and releases ammonia into the exhaust. The ammonia is stored downstream in the Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) catalyst which uses it to further reduce NOx. In between the NAC and SCR catalysts is a particulate filter that traps particulate emissions (soot). As the particulate filter becomes full, the engine computer manipulates the fuel injection process to raise the exhaust gas temperature, which in turn burns off the particulates. ADBLUE The AdBlue system houses the DOC and particulate filter in a single housing. In addition to the NAC catalyst, ammonia is supplied by injecting a fluid called AdBlue into the exhaust upstream of the SCR catalyst. The addition of AdBlue fluid enables the SCR catalyst to reduce NOx emissions to a level even lower than the NAC-SCR system. AdBlue is carried in an on-board tank which can be replenished when the car is serviced; a gallon of AdBlue fluid lasts approximately 2,400 miles
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YES SCR's have been around for a long time as well (at least 50 years I would Imagine) they are commonly used with scrubbers in power plants. You have particulate filters, O2 Catalysts, which have been around for a very long time and are pretty commonly used in vehicles. So tell me what specifically do you feel will be unreliable or could prove to be a problem? The ADBlue service intervals? Your statements really do not answer my question.....
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So tell me what do you think will go wrong? you seem to be the expert in this field...I would like to know from the DOC himself what his expert opinion is on why this system is finicky. i know nothing about cars in your estimation so I am trying to learn from the man himself.
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