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Thanks for the research. I read it but did not see anything concerning lubrication or what happens with long term use to O-rings or the IP shaft seals that are on vehicles like my Volvo.
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There is some indication that some compounds like turpentine, naptha and mineral spirits raise the effective cetane of diesel when used in small amounts but lower it in large amounts.
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"Pure gum turpentine has a Cetane value of about 120-130" is posted by: crossbones in post 8 down from the top at this biodiesel forum.
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9751014871/m/7861049642
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some misinformation
A couple things to clear up:
1.) Biodiesel does not equal dimethyl ether. Biodiesel is comprised of mono-alkyl esters of long chain fatty acids. These fatty acids are from vegetable and animal fats. In the US, almost all commercial bio is soy-derived. In europe, canola oil (rapeseed) is often used. 2.) "Biodiesel has very good cetane, but a potential problem with mixing it in your tank is water dropping out of the mix because of biodiesel's higher water solubility and the washing process in the production of biodiesel that saturates it with water." Almost all commercial biodiesel producers that i know of do not use water-washing techniques to make fuel anymore. Even homebrewers like myself often do not use water for the process (I don't). Commercial operations use beds of resin beads to remove residual 'soap' and traces of glycerol that is produced. Even so, water cannot stay in biodiesel for long, it will drop out in storage, just like water in regular D2. In the ASTM spec, you will notice there is no spec for water content. There is, however, a spec for methanol (methyl alcohol). Water is attracted to methanol, and the only way to suspend water (and other impurities) in biodiesel is to have high out of spec methanol content. Otherwise, its like oil and water - they wont mix. So, just like regular D2, or any fuel for that matter, no drawing off the bottom of the storage tank :-) for further reading: Amberlite resin beads used to purify biodiesel after reaction: http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/images/amberlite/amberlite.pdf ASTM spec for b100: http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/fuelfactsheets/BDSpec.pdf I do not in any way pretend to be a biodiesel expert or professional, I am but a homebrewer, but I do strive to make fuel that conforms to the ASTM spec. dd
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About the water separation from biodiesel, I got that info from a local commercial biodiesel producer. This was about 2 years ago and the manager told me they were looking at ways to improve the process so that water doesn't drop out when mixed with petroleum diesel. Maybe they have figured it out by now but I don't know as I'm no longer a customer there. Biodiesel supposedly can dissolve a limited amount of water and there indeed is an ASTM spec for it, at least there was last time I saw the ASTM test sheet that they showed me. Maybe it applied only to blends and not B100. Anyway thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear this should no longer be a problem.
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Is there an additive for diesel, like for gas, that you can dump in the tank to
help get rid of the water? I don't know what the additive does for gasoline but if you add the stuff to your gas tank it will either mix with the water so it is combustible or who know what the heck it does! LOL! But is there the same thing for diesel?
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This is supposed to take care of water in the fuel system, however, I haven't ever used it personally... http://www.powerservice.com/d911/
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Methane liquefies at over 1000 psi...I doubt highly that one would be getting liquid methane from a fuel pump. Methane is natural gas...and the main component in NG that is delivered to homes...approx 85% methane that is and other elements to make the full 100%.
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ADR - yep, methane is natural gas and it comes from the ground. So the early poster must not have been talking about adding an ounce of methane to the fuel - was he talking methanol?
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You certainly don't want methanol in your diesel. Otherwise why do biodiesel producers try to remove it before selling their product?
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He was talking about nitromethane, the fuel used by the top fuel 1/4 milers...dragsters and funny cars.
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I wonder that too.Yellow Heet for cars is methonal,the Red heet for diesels is rubbing alcohol.
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A little bit of Methanol is needed in biodiesel.
What they try to remove/recover is excess Methanol. |
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