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snookwhaler · #1 03-17-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Any opinions?

Opinions are like... You know.... We all have one.

Here is mine.

I would not put a F*** filter on my lawn mower! F*** has had serious problems with the filter media to the point of destroying engines. I know of several instances where the filter media has come apart leaving particles floating around in the oil. In some cases (the worst ones) the filter media wound up clogging piston cooling nozzles and ruining an engine. I have seen the inside of one of these filters after being cut open. The filter media was actually torn and falling apart.

I only use Fleetguard Stratopore oil and fuel filters on my Dodge (when possible) after seeing some of the filtration problems friends (and others) have suffered. For this reason I plan only to use Mann (or equiv.) for the Merceces. I think any premium Wix filter would be OK in a pinch. I have used and operated on them in the past with no problems.

That is interesting that the bottom is not open like the OE filter. I would like to hear more about that. Apparently some one deemed it not necessary. But who?

pawoSD · #2 03-17-2009, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snookwhaler

Opinions are like... You know.... We all have one.

Here is mine.

I would not put a F*** filter on my lawn mower! F*** has had serious problems with the filter media to the point of destroying engines. I know of several instances where the filter media has come apart leaving particles floating around in the oil. In some cases (the worst ones) the filter media wound up clogging piston cooling nozzles and ruining an engine. I have seen the inside of one of these filters after being cut open. The filter media was actually torn and falling apart.

I only use Fleetguard Stratopore oil and fuel filters on my Dodge (when possible) after seeing some of the filtration problems friends (and others) have suffered. For this reason I plan only to use Mann (or equiv.) for the Merceces. I think any premium Wix filter would be OK in a pinch. I have used and operated on them in the past with no problems.

That is interesting that the bottom is not open like the OE filter. I would like to hear more about that. Apparently some one deemed it not necessary. But who?

I agree with the Fram opinion, but only on their spin on stuff.....I use Bosch/Mobil for those applications....usually German Bosch. Fram's OM617 filters are quite well made. All the other brands are questionable.

My main concern is with the lack of a bypass section. Think its better or worse for general filtration? Baldwin filters are like this too. The Wix does seem well made.

vstech · #3 03-17-2009, 11:25 AM

I fix the printers in the main wix manufacturing plant, and I get to see the HUGE machines that make these filters. anybody got any requests for pics of the place? Gastonia NC is an interesting place... NOT. but that's where all the filters are made...
also all Craftsman sockets are made here in Gastonia... I fix the printers there too...

KAdams4458 · #4 03-17-2009, 01:27 PM

I'm running a Turkish Fram in my '77, which has the spooled thread for a bypass media. I would have no concerns running a Wix without the bypass portion built in it, if I was doing frequent oil changes, since the oils we have these days are light years more advanced when it comes to keeping soot in suspension than the stuff we had when the OM617 and OM616 were designed.

On the other hand, I plan to run a full bypass filter on my car when it is finished. I have a German-made one on my gasser that does an excellent job, and it's the same design that I've seen used on several large diesels. I won't discuss them in any detail here, since I am technically one of their authorised resellers, but I do plan to use the full flow Wix with one when I am done.

tobybul · #5 03-17-2009, 01:48 PM

Can someone explain the bypass feature of the oil filter??

What does it do and what would using a non-bypass do? thanks

pawoSD · #6 03-17-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tobybul

Can someone explain the bypass feature of the oil filter??

What does it do and what would using a non-bypass do? thanks

The upper section of the "original style" filters is intended to have a very small quantity of oil flow through it very slowly.....so suspended soot particles can be filtered out by being trapped in the cotton/string material. For an idea of how little oil moves through that section, the oil leaving it goes through that tiny hole in the top of the oil filter housing lid's stem.

I think I will have to agree that the full flow bigger wix is probably as good or better than a fram with the wound string bypass....which is what I am running right now....especially considering how good modern oils are....and I do 4,000 mile changes....since I am paranoid.

At $15 they are a bit pricey though....in a bulk order of 12 you can buy the USA made Baldwin's for about $12ish apiece....and they're the same style/quality of filter as the wix.

I'll call this one a "trial purchase".....I'll order a box of Baldwin's in the future and save some cash....like $35+

oldsinner111 · #7 03-17-2009, 04:15 PM

I use either STP or Purolator.The filter usally have stamped on them Mahnn.

pawoSD · #8 03-17-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsinner111

I use either STP or Purolator.The filter usally have stamped on them Mahnn.

I hope you're not using the STP/Purolator filters for a 617 engine.

Those are the junkiest filled with cotton gin waste filters of them all!

blackestate · #9 03-17-2009, 05:03 PM

I use a lot of WIX filters. Never had a problem. The local napa here has an unadvertised sale 2X per year. Ask about it at your local napa.

71inka02 · #10 03-17-2009, 05:19 PM

I use Bosch filters -- buy locally from a Bosch Master/Central distributor...pay just under $6.00 for oil, and around $8.00 for spin-on fuel, and $1.29 for in-line fuel filters.....No worries or problems, and Bosch is an excellent product.

Diesel911 · #11 03-17-2009, 05:21 PM

Look for the 2 extensive Oil Filter Threads.
The WIX filter for the 617 Engines with the all pleated paper element has a nominal micron rationg of I believe it was 35 or 37 Microns.

Mann said the full flow section of there Oil Filters are 27 nominal microns.
Besides the WIX filter NAPA also sells the Mann Oil filter in their own box; but you have to look it up by your year, model and make.

I just bought a Purolator last week or so for a 617 type engine and it is made in India similar to the other Euro made filter with the exception the the central tube in the bypass section is free floating in the filter; not solidly mounted inside of the filter.
Mann Oil Filter Microns and other Oil Filter stuff
OEM Oil Filtration Efficiency 50%@27μ / 99%@50μ

Diesel911 · #12 03-17-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

Look for the 2 extensive Oil Filter Threads.
The WIX filter for the 617 Engines with the all pleated paper element has a nominal micron rationg of I believe it was 35 or 37 Microns.

Mann said the full flow section of there Oil Filters are 27 nominal microns.
Besides the WIX filter NAPA also sells the Mann Oil filter in their own box; but you have to look it up by your year, model and make.

I just bought a Purolator last week or so for a 617 type engine and it is made in India similar to the other Euro made filter with the exception the the central tube in the bypass section is free floating in the filter; not solidly mounted inside of the filter.
Mann Oil Filter Microns and other Oil Filter stuff
OEM Oil Filtration Efficiency 50%@27μ / 99%@50μ

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pawoSD · #13 03-17-2009, 05:45 PM

That's kinda scary....as it provides a potential exit route for the cotton gin dirt to enter the normal oil flow/system!

Diesel911 · #14 03-18-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

That's kinda scary....as it provides a potential exit route for the cotton gin dirt to enter the normal oil flow/system!

The Oil from that portion goes into the Oil Pan. There is also a Valve inside of the stem that would most likly stop it also.
However, I guess the Valve could be wedged open by crap.

snookwhaler · #15 03-17-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

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This is the kind of crap I am talking about in regards to aftermarket filters.

So that was not mounted to any of the rubber or metal within the filter? Could you hear it rattling around in there before you cut it open?