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Old 04-11-2009, 04:07 PM
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I was opening the slave bleeder, and it was leaking down from the slave nipple threads, didn`t seem to want to go in. I used a small O ring out of my assortment box that fit tight on the threads and left it as close to the end as possible so when I screwed it in it would make a seal. It didn`t work very well.

It all sounds so easy when reading it in the book, or as other have said, "all you have to do is pump the brake peddle". It seems like we get different results depending who is doing it.

I have no idea what I did to finally wake it up, but it works. I don`t know what the answer is, Dumb Luck?

I would give you a hand if we were closer.

Charlie
Hmmm... when I did it before, I was opening and closing the caliper bleeder, but I don't really see how that would make a difference... maybe closing off the slave bleeder between allows less air to bubble in around the threads? Still just doesn't seem very likely.

I am actually in the East Bay, so I'm not all that far away, but I am fine continuing to fiddle with it on my own for now. I'll figure it out some day, maybe today!
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:26 AM
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Since the o-ring didn't work, you still need to fix the leaking via the nipple threads. You only want to open the bleed nipple maybe 1/8 to 1/4 turn from closed, just enough for fluid to flow. If the nipple is loose and won't stay put on it's setting , take it out and wrap lots of teflon tape on the threads (don't block the hole). Maybe you also have a blockage upstream to the slave cyl? Push the fluid in slow and steady. Do not pump fast and hard like an ape! At this point (since you are having so much trouble), I'd suggest: one by one, crack each hose connection starting at the slave cyl and verify fluid is getting out as you do the back flush bleed. If you get fluid out at the slave, close it, crack the next connection at the fire wall and so on. I used a home made pressure bleeder (metal brake fluid container and hand bicycle pump) and didn't have any problems. Never tried using the brake caliper procedure (which I'll try next time) so can't help there.

ps, make sure your clutch peddle is in the up position while you bleed ( I'm not sure if it matters).
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:39 PM
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Since the o-ring didn't work, you still need to fix the leaking via the nipple threads. You only want to open the bleed nipple maybe 1/8 to 1/4 turn from closed, just enough for fluid to flow. If the nipple is loose and won't stay put on it's setting , take it out and wrap lots of teflon tape on the threads (don't block the hole). Maybe you also have a blockage upstream to the slave cyl? Push the fluid in slow and steady. Do not pump fast and hard like an ape! At this point (since you are having so much trouble), I'd suggest: one by one, crack each hose connection starting at the slave cyl and verify fluid is getting out as you do the back flush bleed. If you get fluid out at the slave, close it, crack the next connection at the fire wall and so on. I used a home made pressure bleeder (metal brake fluid container and hand bicycle pump) and didn't have any problems. Never tried using the brake caliper procedure (which I'll try next time) so can't help there.

ps, make sure your clutch peddle is in the up position while you bleed ( I'm not sure if it matters).
I don't think I have a blockage, because when I bled top down with a pressure bleeder (the first of my many attempts to bleed this thing), I had a steady stream of fluid coming out.

Perhaps I am opening the slave valve too much. I have been doing about 1/3-1/2 turn. I can try that and the teflon tape - but how do you get the tape off to close it up again without reintroducing air into the system?

I actually think that the problem is somewhere else in the system - it could be the clutch MC.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:50 PM
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I don't think I have a blockage, because when I bled top down with a pressure bleeder (the first of my many attempts to bleed this thing), I had a steady stream of fluid coming out.

Perhaps I am opening the slave valve too much. I have been doing about 1/3-1/2 turn. I can try that and the teflon tape - but how do you get the tape off to close it up again without reintroducing air into the system?

I actually think that the problem is somewhere else in the system - it could be the clutch MC.
Leave the teflon tape and just tighten the nipple down. Could very well be a bad MC (you don't need much of a leak to cause a lot of problems). Or could be a bad hose(s), hose connection. That's why I suggested pressure testing the system and find where it leaks and replace the bad parts. The other approach is replace everthing if money is no object

ps, when I had problems with my clutch peddle where it would drop to the floor over a day or 2 after bleeding. I had no problems bleeding, the clutch just would not stay. I had no external signs of any leaks. I replaced the slave cyl and problem fixed. The only sign of a leak was a slight dampness around the rubber boot. .
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:29 PM
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Leave the teflon tape and just tighten the nipple down. Could very well be a bad MC (you don't need much of a leak to cause a lot of problems). Or could be a bad hose(s), hose connection. That's why I suggested pressure testing the system and find where it leaks and replace the bad parts. The other approach is replace everthing if money is no object

ps, when I had problems with my clutch peddle where it would drop to the floor over a day or 2 after bleeding. I had no problems bleeding, the clutch just would not stay. I had no external signs of any leaks. I replaced the slave cyl and problem fixed. The only sign of a leak was a slight dampness around the rubber boot. .
I did do a pressure test when I bled from the top down. I connected the pressure bleeder to the reservoir and pumped it up, watching the gauge for a minute or two - it didn't go down to any notable degree (just slightly, but I attributed that to a threaded fitting that connects the screw cap to the bleeder tank is very slightly leaky.

Then I opened the valve to bleed the fluid, and the fluid squirted out freely, so I know there was no blockage either.

I am going to order a new master. If it's not that, then it might be a trip to the indy, or my first ever dive into the insides of a manual transmission.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:26 PM
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Charlie which car got the trans? The 300D or the 300SD?
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Charlie which car got the trans? The 300D or the 300SD?
Curtis, I installed it into the 300D.

so far about 400 miles on it, do get a vibration below 2100RPM. probably the point between eng. struggling to get going and turbo boost. stay above 2100 and it smooths out. still have some tweeking to do when we get back from this NV trip.

clutch works great, is a softer clutch than Iam use to.




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Old 04-15-2009, 11:46 AM
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Curtis, I installed it into the 300D.

so far about 400 miles on it, do get a vibration below 2100RPM. probably the point between eng. struggling to get going and turbo boost. stay above 2100 and it smooths out. still have some tweeking to do when we get back from this NV trip.

clutch works great, is a softer clutch than Iam use to.




Charlie
Replaced the carrier bearing bushing?
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:00 PM
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Replaced the carrier bearing bushing?
I replaced the carrier bushing and bearing and both flex discs. drive line cut and balanced. might have to lower the trans mount like LUTZTD mentioned.
I have the 2:88 Diff, so that changes it some over the 3:07.
when Iam back home Fri, I can do some investigating .

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